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[markdohle]

[ChloeB]

Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck (23 April 1858 – 4 October 1947) was one of the most important German physicists of the late 19th and early 20th century, winning the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918; he is considered to be the founder of quantum theory.

* I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.
o As quoted in The Observer (25 January 1931)

* As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.
o Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)

http://en.wikiquote....wiki/Max_Planck

[ROGER]

ChloeB, on 09 March 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck (23 April 1858 – 4 October 1947) was one of the most important German physicists of the late 19th and early 20th century, winning the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918; he is considered to be the founder of quantum theory.

* I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.
o As quoted in The Observer (25 January 1931)

* As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.
o Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)

http://en.wikiquote....wiki/Max_Planck

That's really deep. The best quote I have ever stolen!

[mattavich123]

ChloeB, on 09 March 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck (23 April 1858 – 4 October 1947) was one of the most important German physicists of the late 19th and early 20th century, winning the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918; he is considered to be the founder of quantum theory.

* I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.
o As quoted in The Observer (25 January 1931)

* As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.
o Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)

http://en.wikiquote....wiki/Max_Planck

So basically, he can't define consciousness and makes a huge leap to "assume"(his words) that the "solar system" of an atom is held together by an intelligent mind.

Nothing but pure opinion and speculation. Something he can't prove so he makes the leap to the extraordinary.

Humans have been doing this for centuries and it has provided no answers and is no surprise.

I don't see anything spexial about this quote other than the nice language and terminology to explain a very dull and misleading assumption.

[markdohle]

mattavich123, on 09 March 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

So basically, he can't define consciousness and makes a huge leap to "assume"(his words) that the "solar system" of an atom is held together by an intelligent mind.

Nothing but pure opinion and speculation. Something he can't prove so he makes the leap to the extraordinary.

Humans have been doing this for centuries and it has provided no answers and is no surprise.

I don't see anything spexial about this quote other than the nice language and terminology to explain a very dull and misleading assumption.

No more misleading than the assumptions of those who are materialist.

[mattavich123]

markdohle, on 09 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

No more misleading than the assumptions of those who are materialist.

Well that's not true since science is based on facts, not assumptions.

[Habitat]

mattavich123, on 09 March 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

Well that's not true since science is based on facts, not assumptions.

Science relies on what is "publicly" on display, with no "privileged" observers being a part of that. As Charlie Rich tells us, no-one knows what goes on behind closed doors.   Do not dismiss the possibility that the non-material reality reveals itself to "privileged" observers only, like the ravishing lover to her beloved. Be open-minded, the idea of dismissing something you have not experienced yourself as being non-existent, is unhelpful, and logically unsound anyhow.

[Timonthy]

It's not a very valid point that if something can't yet be explained by science, it can be by intelligent design (or whatever you want to call it).

If you flip that argument around, science is the answer for everything...

[Habitat]

I await the day that science comes up with the "right" questions, we can worry about the answers later.

[Lion6969]

mattavich123, on 09 March 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

So basically, he can't define consciousness and makes a huge leap to "assume"(his words) that the "solar system" of an atom is held together by an intelligent mind.

This is not him turning to the god of gaps after not being able to explain something. This is a guy who is the founder of quantum physics (Which is what you use to create creation myths like m theory string theory multiverse etc, these too are assumptions are they not?), he understands the complex nature of particles, physics and atoms at that level. He based his conclusion on scientific knowledge he had in physics and in general. It's a logical extension of his studies, you dont have agree but to call it an assumption does the man a disservice!  

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I don't see anything spexial about this quote other than the nice language and terminology to explain a very dull and misleading assumption.

How is it misleading then? Enlighten us?