[greychupa]

I am sure im not dreaming. I am wide awake and consious, im not having delusions or dreams. Besides, how could i have heared my dad talking to me, when actually i was asleep and dreaming ?
As time goes by you get to learn the diffirence between dreams and actual OBE's.

[TooFarGone]

Ahh, but many dreams can be realistic. You may have heard him, because it is a very familiar voice, and your brain was just recalling it. I have had dreams where I thought my mom was calling out to me to wake me up for school. I woke up, and when I look at the clock it was only 3:00AM. It was just that my brain had made me relive a thing that was very familiar to me, this made me think it was real. So, all I am saying, is that this was most likely a dream, not an OBE.

[greychupa]

I didnt dream my dad was calling me, he was actually calling me. I checked later, and he said the exact words wich i heard while i was awake in my astral body.
This afternoon while i fell asleep after studying, i had another experience. As usual, i find myself awake and laying on my bed, but at the same time i have a floating feeling, and i can get up and see my self laying asleep on my bed. I floated around a bit, and noticed that it started raining. I could see the rain and hear it. Then i lost control and vision, i floated somewhat against the wall and then i woke up. It was raining.
I am so sure they are not dreams, because i can see the difirence between an OBE and a dream after a while. Sometimes i have a dream during an OBE, but then i try to focus and make the dream go away. Why do you keep on insisting they are dreams, while i am the one who has the experience and i know for sure they are not dreams !

Ahh, but many dreams can be realistic. You may have heard him, because it is a very familiar voice, and your brain was just recalling it. I have had dreams where I thought my mom was calling out to me to wake me up for school. I woke up, and when I look at the clock it was only 3:00AM. It was just that my brain had made me relive a thing that was very familiar to me, this made me think it was real. So, all I am saying, is that this was most likely a dream, not an OBE.

Then, when do i have an OBE ? What is OBE, according to you ?

This post has been edited by BurnSide: 29 December 2004 - 06:26 PM

[TooFarGone]

Crap....sorry.

The point i am trying to make, is that you didnt have an OBE. It may have been pure coincidence that your dad called out during the supposed "OBE". Likw I said, our dreams are very realistic, and it may have been pure coincidence that while you where dreaming, your Dad called out to you.

This post has been edited by Jeremy_Rumbolt: 13 January 2005 - 11:39 PM

[greychupa]

This is going nowhere. Are you me, so that you saw that i didnt have an OBE, that i was hallucinating ? I know when i am dreaming and when i am not dreaming, i know my own body, i know when i am having an OBE, and when not.
Youre going nowhere, you do not pay attention to my words and you just keep on saying that i didnt have an OBE. It has nothing to do with coinsidence. I can give more examples, the dad thing was just my most recent experience.
What is, according to you, outer body experience ? Whats your definition if this occurence ?

[TooFarGone]

Im not even going to respond to this. Im out.

[BurnSide]

Okay..
In that case, i see it fit to pass this one on to our judges.

[AztecInca]

Debator 1: Greychupa.
Relevancy:7
Countering:5
Style:5
Persuasiveness:5
Total:22.

Debator 2: Jeremy_Rumbolt
Relevancy:7
Countering:4
Style:4
Persuasiveness:3
Total:18.

This post has been edited by AztecInca: 03 February 2005 - 07:16 AM

[Subtemperate]

Debator 1: Greychupa
Relevancy:6
Countering:5
Style:5
Persuasiveness:4
Total: 20.

Debator 2: Jeremy_Rumbolt
Relevancy:6
Countering:4
Style:3
Persuasiveness:3
Total: 16

[greychupa]

Why doesnt he like to continue our debate ?

This post has been edited by greychupa: 03 February 2005 - 01:29 PM

[BurnSide]

I don't know, sorry. PM him?
One more judge and then we'll tally the results.

[greychupa]

Okay, I'll do that !
Thanks BurnSide.

[Lottie]

Debator 1: Greychupa
Relevancy:7
Countering:5
Style:6
Persuasiveness:5
Total: 23.

Debator 2: Jeremy_Rumbolt
Relevancy:6
Countering:5
Style:4
Persuasiveness:4
Total: 19


Well done you guys!

[BurnSide]

And the results are in!

Greychupa takes the win and scores a 22 average.
Jeremy Rumbolt comes close and scores a 18.

Thanks to both of you for taking part.