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#1351    xFelix

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:41 AM

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According to local media reports, Zimmerman took seriously his volunteer role as captain of the neighborhood watch group in the diverse community.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:31 PM

Is it illegal to have a neighborhood watch that is not officially registered?
When I lived in a sub-division, a few of us had what we considered a watch program, but it was just organized by us to keep an eye on each others houses.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:54 PM

View PostxFelix, on 15 May 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:



So he thought he missed, but he told someone to call his wife and tell her he shot somebody?


Here is an example of your biased view.
It is most likey that initially he thought he had missed.    After assessing the situation he called his wife and told her that he had shot him. You tried to turn this into a "lie".   Feeble attempt to discredit him.   Which media outfit do you work for?


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:45 AM

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A neighborhood watch may be organized as its own group or may simply be a function of a neighborhood association or other community association.
Neighborhood watches are not vigilante organizations.

Just as a neighborhood can form a Homeowners Association without hiring a manager and an office, by holding meetings of concerned neighbors, a neighborhood can do the same with a Community Watch program. Membership in the national program is not required, and signs can be bought without a license (LOL) at Home Depot, or Lowes, or many other stores.

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In response to the Trayvon Martin case, Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) began drafting a bill that would require neighborhood watch groups to be certified and limit their duties. Currently, with local police agencies setting guidelines for their neighborhood watches, groups across the U.S. vary greatly in their scope, function, the level of activity by their members, and training. Robert McCrie, professor of security management at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City, disagrees with Lee's initiative. He believes that standards for neighborhood watches “are best left to the state or local community,” although he would support background checks for volunteers.

That Congressmen are talking about requiring oversight totally implies that such oversight is NOT required at present.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:50 AM

That congresswoman is a moron.    Forcing all watch programs to register and be certified will only eliminate watch groups.   Not good.   All because of one incident.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:48 PM

View PostMyles, on 16 May 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

That congresswoman is a moron. Forcing all watch programs to register and be certified will only eliminate watch groups.   Not good.   All because of one incident.
Yes but this one incident is RAYSHUH in nature - and THAT changes everything....

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:15 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 15 May 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

Come on Felix show me where I am wrong in this.....
I am still waiting for Felix or anyone else to show that a 911 operator in Florida is a Law Enforcement Officer.

If they are not then Felix and the Prosecuter are going to have a hard time showing that Z was legally ordered to stand down.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 May 2013 - 06:15 AM, said:

If they are not then Felix and the Prosecuter are going to have a hard time showing that Z was legally ordered to stand down.
they are not. and you really don't want to do what they said, too many times ppl died cuz 911 operator is cluless to situation caller has a hand, they are there to listen and take info down, and pass it on to cops\ambulances\fire dept.

i bet this guy would tell you the same, if he survived.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:13 PM

http://www.leg.state...s/0401.465.html

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401.465 911 public safety telecommunicator certification.
(1) DEFINITIONS.As used in this section, the term:
(a) “911 public safety telecommunicator” means a public safety dispatcher or 911 operator whose duties and responsibilities include the answering, receiving, transferring, and dispatching functions related to 911 calls; dispatching law enforcement officers, fire rescue services, emergency medical services, and other public safety services to the scene of an emergency; providing real-time information from federal, state, and local crime databases; or supervising or serving as the command officer to a person or persons having such duties and responsibilities. However, the term does not include administrative support personnel, including, but not limited to, those whose primary duties and responsibilities are in accounting, purchasing, legal, and personnel.

They are Public Safety Officers which have a certain LEO ability, read the bold. They are not "LEO" but they are supervisors to "LEO" if no supervisor is present...


Also, we don't have to prove he was ordered to stand down.. We just have to prove that he followed Martin after Martin walked away and that lead to his death.

It's like i said earlier... it's all about the stalking.. if they can prove that he was stalking Martin he's screwed and no amount of fancy talk gets him home... But if he can wiggle his way out of the stalking there is a high chance he goes home.

Edited by xFelix, 17 May 2013 - 02:14 PM.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

it doesn't mean squat, even if he followed him, even if he stalked. which we don't know. still irrelevant
Z had every right to shoot a b****** that was banging his head against the sidewalk, that is all, he had reason to believe his life was in immediate danger.
it is absolutely irrelavant who approached whom.
if it was, every time attacker sued a victim he would loose, becouse they were agressors\broke into a house,.... but they win, and that proves you wrong.
reality proves you wrong.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:49 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

it doesn't mean squat, even if he followed him, even if he stalked. which we don't know. still irrelevant
Z had every right to shoot a b****** that was banging his head against the sidewalk, that is all, he had reason to believe his life was in immediate danger.
it is absolutely irrelavant who approached whom.
if it was, every time attacker sued a victim he would loose, becouse they were agressors\broke into a house,.... but they win, and that proves you wrong.
reality proves you wrong.

Again ffs i swear you guys can't read...

It is absolutely relevant who initiated the confrontation.

If Zimmerman initiated the confrontation he has no right to self-defense, which is why he must prove that he didn't follow Martin.(Basically if he followed Martin, he can't say he was in fear of nothing.. which means it's murder)
As long as Martin came running towards him, Zimmerman had every right to stand his ground.


We all know Zimmerman followed Martin... but it's not about what we know it's what we can prove that counts.

Edited by xFelix, 17 May 2013 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

View PostxFelix, on 17 May 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Again ffs i swear you guys can't read...

It is absolutely relevant who initiated the confrontation.

If Zimmerman initiated the confrontation he has no right to self-defense, which is why he must prove that he didn't follow Martin.(Basically if he followed Martin, he can't say he was in fear of nothing.. which means it's murder)
As long as Martin came running towards him, Zimmerman had every right to stand his ground.


But we all know Zimmerman followed Martin... Just a matter of what he can prove.
again, it doesn't matter, he had his head bashed against sidewalk, he had every right to shoot.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:59 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 May 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

again, it doesn't matter, he had his head bashed against sidewalk, he had every right to shoot.

ffs, you really can't read You cannot defend yourself if you are the attacker, even if you get your ass kicked.. You are simply just attacking.


There are three examples which are similar to the circumstances in which a court states that once one initiates an engagement, they cannot then claim self-defense because they put themselves in that danger. You cannot put yourself in danger and then claim self-defense.

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The jury's unchallenged verdict on the burglary charge causes us to conclude that Vila was the initial aggressor and surrendered his right to self-defense.

Vila v. State 74 So.3d 1110 (5th Dist. 2011)

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District Court of Appeal affirmed the defendant's conviction for attempted second degree murder. There was evidence that there had been an earlier altercation that day between the two men and that the defendant had attempted to run over the victim with his motorcycle. When the victim went to the store two or three hours later, the defendant was there. The defendant testified that the victim got out of his car and rushed towards him attacking him. The defendant said that he shot the victim because he was losing consciousness and was afraid the victim would kill him. The victim testified that when they arrived at the store the defendant banged on the back window of the victim's car, that he (the victim) got out of the car, the defendant approached the victim, and the two "got locked up" and "tussled a bit" when the defendant shot the victim.
The Court of Appeal found that victim's testimony was sufficient to invoke Section 776.041 and instruct the jury that the defendant may not claim self-defense if he "initially provoked" the attack.

Johnson v. State, 65 So.3d 1147 (3rd Dist. 2011)

THIRD: (Read carefully at how similar the cases are, and what the court ruled.)

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The appellant and the man he later admitted killing had an altercation while the appellant was sitting in his jeep, the other man standing at the side of the vehicle. The appellant drove to his home nearby where he procured a revolver, while his adversary continued along the highway, afoot. The appellant, accompanied by his wife and their young daughter, then drove in the same direction until he overtook his former antagonist when both stopped. … Were we convinced that the final encounter was of such nature that the issue of self defense was properly introduced and the appellant's blame should therefore be judged by the amount of force he used in resisting his victim, we think the testimony would have been admissible. But the facts believed by the jury point too strongly to a deliberate pursuit by appellant, after the original difficulty had ended and the parties had separated. The law is quite clear that one may not provoke a difficulty and having done so act under the necessity produced by the difficulty, then kill his adversary and justify the homicide under the plea of self defense. (emphasis supplied)

Mixon v. State 59 So.2d 38 (Fla. 1952)

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:22 PM

lol, and i can show you cases where robber broke into a house , got shot , sued and won. while it was his actions that led to it. and cases like that are numeros.
so your resonings are false.

i also know of a case where a man killed a guy that shot his dog, and was not found guilty, does it mean anyone that shoots a someone that killed his dog is automaticly not guilty???
no.
every case is different, and especially this one, where you only know tiny bit, and even that from biased  rasict media.
so forgive me for not taking seriosly anything you say in the matter.

Edited by aztek, 17 May 2013 - 03:25 PM.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:25 PM

The evidence shows that Trayvon attacked George, so this discussion is kind of useless.





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