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[Myles]

JayMark, on 25 April 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

This is plain unaceptable. Jail. Period.

It drives me nuts sometimes to see how in the USA you can go to jail for smoking pot and get aquitted for murder at the same time. What a farce.

R.I.P. little buddy.

Peace.

You don't want to know the details before you make a decision?

[DieChecker]

Gummug, on 26 April 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

Amen, brother. Also, has anyone else heard that George Zimmerman was studying criminal justice? Or that he attempted to administer first aid to Martin before the police arrived? Cold-blooded killer, that.
Thanks to two posters whom I think everyone knows I am getting pretty tired of this thread. To all who seek to stick to the truth and facts, THANK YOU.

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Zimmerman’s mother, Gladys, said her son was “very protective” of vulnerable people such as the homeless and children. She described how he got involved in a mentoring program for children in Orlando, noting that both of the children he mentored were African-American like Martin.

http://www.washingto...XZUT_story.html

Yes, he is quite the Evil Black hating racist, isn't he? (Sarcasm)

His history shows that Zimmerman wanted to uphold the law, and that his actions were what he thought were in the interest of the community. If Trayvon HAD been a threat, Zimmerman would be a hero for his actions. But, because it was a troubled kid who was having hard times, and an attitude, Zimmerman is now demonized. Ridiculous.

Edited by DieChecker, 26 April 2012 - 01:51 AM.

[Mantis914]

THE MATRIX, on 25 April 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

If Zimmerman is not convicted, there needs to be rioting like the la riots. Only then will a sense of justice be served. You can only push and oppress people down long enough before they snap.

If that does happen, I sure hope it happens in your neighborhood for you wishing violence on others...  Just who are these oppressed people in this day and age???

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[and then]

I happened onto a piece in Reuters that is balanced and very interesting about Zimmerman and what led up to the shooting.



http://www.reuters.c...E83O18H20120425

[Socio]

FLOMBIE, on 25 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Being Latino is not a race; they can be of multiple races. Ever been to a latin american country? Try Colombia, there are native whites, blacks, mestizos and mulattos - they are all latino!

Maybe this will clear things up for you;

He is eligible/entitled to all special treatments, protections and rights afforded to minority (non-Whites) under the law, no different than Obama is, so how can classify him as White?

You can't, and insisting on doing so only serves the racist race baiting filth in this Country.

Edited by Socio, 26 April 2012 - 01:13 PM.

[Socio]

and then, on 26 April 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

I happened onto a piece in Reuters that is balanced and very interesting about Zimmerman and what led up to the shooting.



http://www.reuters.c...E83O18H20120425

Wow that story really paints Zimmerman in a new light, and it is on Reuters!

Aside from the light it sheds on Zimmerman the bigger shocker for me is, it is a seemingly even handed, well written, well researched piece that shows the sincere effort of a "real" reporter something Reuters is not exactly known for.

Is this the start of a media about face?

Nah, I bet you we never ever see this story on networks like MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN etc....

[Myles]

Socio, on 26 April 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Wow that story really paints Zimmerman in a new light, and it is on Reuters!

Aside from the light it sheds on Zimmerman the bigger shocker for me is, it is a seemingly even handed, well written, well researched piece that shows the sincere effort of a "real" reporter something Reuters is not exactly known for.

Is this the start of a media about face?

Nah, I bet you we never ever see this story on networks like MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN etc....

I agree.   Those networks will not even acknowledge when they are caught reporting in a race-baiting manner.

[Myles]

and then, on 26 April 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

I happened onto a piece in Reuters that is balanced and very interesting about Zimmerman and what led up to the shooting.



http://www.reuters.c...E83O18H20120425

That is very informative.   Doesn't provide guilt or innocence, but paints the stage.

[THE MATRIX]

DieChecker, on 26 April 2012 - 01:51 AM, said:

http://www.washingto...XZUT_story.html

Yes, he is quite the Evil Black hating racist, isn't he? (Sarcasm)

His history shows that Zimmerman wanted to uphold the law, and that his actions were what he thought were in the interest of the community. If Trayvon HAD been a threat, Zimmerman would be a hero for his actions. But, because it was a troubled kid who was having hard times, and an attitude, Zimmerman is now demonized. Ridiculous.

So he was told not to follow Trayvon Martin. But he decided to go Rouge and follow Trayvon anyways which ended up in the kid getting killed. So now it must be the Victims fault right? Yeah always tying to put the blame on the Victim.

[Myles]

THE MATRIX, on 26 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

So he was told not to follow Trayvon Martin. But he decided to go Rouge and follow Trayvon anyways which ended up in the kid getting killed. So now it must be the Victims fault right? Yeah always tying to put the blame on the Victim.

He wasn't told "Not to follow"   he was told that they did not need him to do that.

[lightly]

Myles, on 26 April 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

He wasn't told "Not to follow"   he was told that they did not need him to do that.

  well yes, the precise words on the recording are the 911 operator saying " We don't need you to do that"  
...then Mr. Zimmerman said "OK".

But he then disregarded the advice and followed young Mr. Martin anyway.

   Official Neighborhood watch people are not supposed to follow or make contact with "suspicious" individuals.
They are also not supposed to be armed if patrolling a neighborhood.

Zimmerman decided to ignore the protocols and a senseless  tragedy happened.

[Myles]

lightly, on 26 April 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

well yes, the precise words on the recording are the 911 operator saying " We don't need you to do that"  
...then Mr. Zimmerman said "OK".

But he then disregarded the advice and followed young Mr. Martin anyway.

   Official Neighborhood watch people are not supposed to follow or make contact with "suspicious" individuals.
They are also not supposed to be armed if patrolling a neighborhood.

Zimmerman decided to ignore the protocols and a senseless  tragedy happened.

It's not that cut and dry.  I was ordering an item for a department in my company today.   They said "you don't have to do that", i did it anyway because I wanted to.  The wording is not of an order.   I am also unaware of Zimmerman having to attend any neighborhood watch training.  

If you knew that young black men had been commiting crimes in your neighborhood, and you were the watch captain, wouldn't you follow a suspicious young black man?    I would.   I sure would hope that the outcome would not be the same, but I would feel obligated to follow the suspect.

[and then]

THE MATRIX, on 26 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

So he was told not to follow Trayvon Martin. But he decided to go Rouge and follow Trayvon anyways which ended up in the kid getting killed. So now it must be the Victims fault right? Yeah always tying to put the blame on the Victim.

There's blame enough to go around.  But Z's over zealousness doesn't make him guilty of murder.  If his story is true, and it looks from evidence as though it is, then he was justified using deadly force to save his life.  There's a guy in my hometown who was beaten half to death on his own front porch and Trayvon's name invoked afterwards. Had the man been killed and the story of "this is justice for Trayvon" been spread through the media then more death and mayhem would have resulted.  All this man did was tell a bunch of black youngsters to clear off the street because it was getting dark.  That's how tense things are.....

[susieice]

Myles, on 26 April 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

It's not that cut and dry.  I was ordering an item for a department in my company today.   They said "you don't have to do that", i did it anyway because I wanted to.  The wording is not of an order.   I am also unaware of Zimmerman having to attend any neighborhood watch training.  

If you knew that young black men had been commiting crimes in your neighborhood, and you were the watch captain, wouldn't you follow a suspicious young black man?    I would.   I sure would hope that the outcome would not be the same, but I would feel obligated to follow the suspect.

Maybe where you are they don't but here they do. The regulations are laid out for them.