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#1    Cosmic Radiant

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 04:46 AM

Its simple, just follow the teachings of Jesus. So that should automatically eliminate the Old Testament because a lot of information exists that says the God of the Old Testament is not the same as the one Jesus teaches about.

The Old Testament and all it's stories are not "Christianity". I am not saying the OT is meaningless, because a lot of other religions are based off of it.


So when you think about it, Jesus just taught love and compassion for others, and many other positive things about life that everyone enjoys. Why then, do so many "christians" judge and condemn non believers? Why do they seem so fearful of enjoying life and doing whatever they want, as long as it doesn't harm another person? The Ten Commandments were not from Jesus. Do whatever you want in life, be free, be loving, and be happy. Christ teaches these things, so when you call yourself a "Christian", learn about it more so you can deserve that title.

Edited by Cosmic Radiant, 18 March 2012 - 04:49 AM.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 05:36 AM

How do you feel about Paul's teachings in the NT? He can be pretty tough. Would you feel it necessary to disregard his writings too, to be happy and free and loving? What parts of the NT do you feel a real Christian should follow? What should a Christian ignore?

Edited by QuiteContrary, 18 March 2012 - 05:37 AM.

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in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:17 AM

Does that include giving up all of your possessions?


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:34 AM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 18 March 2012 - 05:36 AM, said:

How do you feel about Paul's teachings in the NT? He can be pretty tough. Would you feel it necessary to disregard his writings too, to be happy and free and loving? What parts of the NT do you feel a real Christian should follow? What should a Christian ignore?
I have to tell you, as a christian - but not a churchgoer I have absolutely zero interest in Paul's teachings, they just don't sit right I can't even read them for any decent length of time without getting discomforted by him, make of that what you will but that is where I stand on that one.

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If you ignore the excellencies of your own house, how do you intend to find other excellencies?
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:17 AM

While you feed your church so it can build monuments to it's 'God' I think I'll give my money to the homeless or the sick instead. Give to your fellow man, you'll do far more good if that's what you're after.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:39 AM

View PostCosmic Radiant, on 18 March 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Its simple, just follow the teachings of Jesus

Simple, huh? :lol:

As they say, the Devil is in the details.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:48 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 18 March 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

Does that include giving up all of your possessions?

Yes, including home and car.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:52 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 18 March 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

While you feed your church so it can build monuments to it's 'God' I think I'll give my money to the homeless or the sick instead. Give to your fellow man, you'll do far more good if that's what you're after.

I am not a Christian, but I know personally of churches who build incredibly small simple churches and their leaders work for a living outside the church so they can actually encourage their members to give generously to others. A Christian does have choices if they ever care to change the status quo they are used to. There are exceptions to every Christian stereotype- though definitely well-deserved stereotypes, for sure.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 18 March 2012 - 11:52 AM.

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P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:06 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 18 March 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

I have to tell you, as a christian - but not a churchgoer I have absolutely zero interest in Paul's teachings, they just don't sit right I can't even read them for any decent length of time without getting discomforted by him, make of that what you will but that is where I stand on that one.

IMO, unlike the OP I find Jesus' teachings hard to deal with as well. I don't see free love. I don't see a touchy, feely, do whatever you like (as long as you don't hurt anyone)God. He labels sinners sinners. Who wants to be called out on that? And what did he classify as "sins"? No tolerance there. Read Matthew- It is all about Jesus taking the OT commands and making them even more impossible to follow. And he considered  breaking these even tougher versions of the OT commands sinning to show that man is in need of a savior. Man cannot please God, only Jesus can. He wasn't the peaceful hippy. Sure, he preached peace, but at a price.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 18 March 2012 - 12:09 PM.

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P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:16 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 18 March 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

While you feed your church so it can build monuments to it's 'God' I think I'll give my money to the homeless or the sick instead. Give to your fellow man, you'll do far more good if that's what you're after.
That's what gets me with religion. Walk into a church and everything shines with gold and fine cloth. While outside you have poor people sat on the steps with hardly anything to eat. Not right.

I have seen this first hand in Mexico City, when I lived there. You look around the huge Cathedral of the Assumption of Mary, which is sat right on the Zocalo, and outside people are struggling to find enough to eat, begging on the churches steps for a few pesos of those walking past.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:25 PM

Treat others as you'd like to be treated by others.

Who needs a book and weekly meetings to understand that?


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 05:15 PM

This post is not aimed at the OP.because the OP is only saying  in a matter of words - Stop your judging...

But  in general  to so many judgemental Christians that do try and tell other Christians what to do and how to do it

The amount of times I have read a thread  on   What is a  true Christian? ... How to be a true Christian?  Then  some thinking  going to church makes it all better..and whine over church statistics   ..Some will judge others for not attending bible classes..  Some will judge others on their interpenetration... It goes on and in the end  all you will read from each judgemental Christian that does this - > Then you are not a true Christian..

They should make out a manual  that dictates how to do it...and if you do not buy he  dictation manual on how to be A real Christian ..then you cannot be one  ..Actually if there was such a manual..it would not surprise me !!

Bottom line is...
  - Each Christian  has a right to follow Jesus in their own way.. It is not up to any other Christian  to stick their ore in and judge..  But some arrogant ones will say it is their right.. Even though Ironically  it will read - Judge not lest ye be judged  !!

And  one can only try and live like Jesus wanted... And most of those  don't care to bother......Many will preach and you will find  they too are lazy .  Each to their own..

If  I  were a Christian..I would  tell  them all to get the heck off my case and go haunt  themselves a hotel and bug someone else...Posted Image

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 18 March 2012 - 05:48 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 05:56 PM

View PostEldorado, on 18 March 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Treat others as you'd like to be treated by others.

Who needs a book and weekly meetings to understand that?




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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:23 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 18 March 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

This post is not aimed at the OP.because the OP is only saying  in a matter of words - Stop your judging...

But  in general  to so many judgemental Christians that do try and tell other Christians what to do and how to do it

The amount of times I have read a thread  on   What is a  true Christian? ... How to be a true Christian?  Then  some thinking  going to church makes it all better..and whine over church statistics   ..Some will judge others for not attending bible classes..  Some will judge others on their interpenetration... It goes on and in the end  all you will read from each judgemental Christian that does this - > Then you are not a true Christian..

They should make out a manual  that dictates how to do it...and if you do not buy he  dictation manual on how to be A real Christian ..then you cannot be one  ..Actually if there was such a manual..it would not surprise me !!

Bottom line is...
  - Each Christian  has a right to follow Jesus in their own way.. It is not up to any other Christian  to stick their ore in and judge..  But some arrogant ones will say it is their right.. Even though Ironically  it will read - Judge not lest ye be judged  !!

And  one can only try and live like Jesus wanted... And most of those  don't care to bother......Many will preach and you will find  they too are lazy .  Each to their own..

If  I  were a Christian..I would  tell  them all to get the heck off my case and go haunt  themselves a hotel and bug someone else...Posted Image

Where does scripture say not to judge christians (or anyone else)? It doesn't. It only says if a christian judges others that judging christian will be held accountable for that knowledge for herself, personally, as well. If infidelity is judged, than the judging christian proves they understand the sin of infidelity and will also be judged accordingly, by a much bigger judge.

Christians are told to admonish each other, correct each other, sharpen each other, even kick some others out. Scripture has a lot to say about judgement. NOt doing this or that. Not associating with those who do this or that. Stoning, beating.

IMO there is a context problem when people see Christ's time on earth as a life full of little unconnected snippets. As if none of it ties together. No history or purpose for Christ. Just little tidbits of wisdom to be picked and quoted out of contest. Because so few read the book or claim "It is too hard to understand"  Entire books or letters were written not phrases. That is why so many christians argue about it and claim the other side is wrong. It becomes about "me". What I like. How "I" want to live as a real christian. Live and let live I say. BUT if you claim to be a follower of Christ then there would by default be some kind of definition, parameters, similarity to Christ. And how can you do that without knowing the scriptures as more than a smorgasbord of personal choices- preferences.

One Christ follower would have nothing in common with other Christ followers. It should mean something cohesive, specific, something definable, recognizable in others.

Hate my post, judge my post. I am fine with that, but I just disagree with religious ambiguity when you speak of a specific god or holy book or teaching. And it is not about interpretations. If people read a holy book for understanding, instead of for validating their personal likes and preferences, there would be few "interpretations". Otherwise, they are saying their god is a unable to be understood. He played a cruel joke and his or her teachings are just another tower of babel.

Again, my post is in reference to claiming following a specific god(s) and writings. Otherwise, do and believe whatever you desire. That is what i do.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 18 March 2012 - 06:37 PM.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:38 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 18 March 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Where does scripture say not to judge christians (or anyone else)? It doesn't.

You do not know the bible that well ... do you?

Matthew 7:1-5
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.


Luke 6:37
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven


John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgement.

A whole string of bible parts that say - Do not go around judging anyone.

A long  list of them in here -->   http://www.openbible.../judging_others   Let he who is without sin  cast the 1st stone..  <-- words of Jesus ..  


Why is judging seen as wrong? ..Because it is rude.. people who judge others on how to be something  or how to live..  are not exactly looking at themselves.. Do not sit there trying to say you are perfect and you do all right.. No you do not.. You have no room to judge anyone

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      Christians are told to admonish each other, correct each other, sharpen each other, even kick some others out                 

It means to help each other as brother and sister,. It doesn't mean dictate and judge them...Giving one advice and offering help   is not judging..

James 4.11  - Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Now telling them to go and criticize and judge their brothers.. is  a contradiction...But non surprising

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 18 March 2012 - 06:44 PM.

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