Space Shuttle Challenger Hit By Terra-3 Soviet Strategic Space Weapon During Cold War Spy Mission
"Our thanks to former Space Shuttle Scientist and American Patriot, Clark McClelland, for his great generosity in sharing the following fascinating chapter from his extraordinary new book, The Stargate Chronicles, with the world.
The revelations in this chapter reveal a surprising, unknown piece of cold war history which came very close to creating a major international standoff between the US and the USSR".
hhhmmm, how do these 'secrets' get out I wonder? Even if remotely true that is..
Clicking the link takes you to a short page with a pdf file with the whole story..
http://www.rense.com.../shuttless.html
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Space Shuttle Challenger Hit By Terra-3
...a Soviet Strategic Space Weapon
Started by bouncer , Mar 18 2012 03:20 PM
Started by bouncer , Mar 18 2012 03:20 PM
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 03:20 PM
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:35 PM
*rolls eyes*
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:59 AM
*cough*cough*bull*****
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:05 AM
Obviousman, on 19 March 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:
*cough*cough*bull*****
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:26 AM
* waits for the usual suspects to show up claiming how real this is *
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"Enquiring and doubting the "official story" are also good things .... However when these doubts require you to ignore the evidence, to dishonestly cherry pick evidence and claim it supports your case when it doesn't, when you operate a double standard; demanding proof of that which is already proven whilst making unsupported statements and personal opinions to back your own case and when you deny the truth simply because it IS the official story then you are no longer acting in a rational way. This is not the behaviour of a "different thinker", this is the behaviour of a "believer" who chooses not to rationally think about the evidence at all." - Waspie Dwarf
"Enquiring and doubting the "official story" are also good things .... However when these doubts require you to ignore the evidence, to dishonestly cherry pick evidence and claim it supports your case when it doesn't, when you operate a double standard; demanding proof of that which is already proven whilst making unsupported statements and personal opinions to back your own case and when you deny the truth simply because it IS the official story then you are no longer acting in a rational way. This is not the behaviour of a "different thinker", this is the behaviour of a "believer" who chooses not to rationally think about the evidence at all." - Waspie Dwarf
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 04:48 PM
Good lord,... Is there no limit to the absurdity!?
I still await the compelling Exhibit A.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:02 PM
Hazzard, on 19 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:
Good lord,... Is there no limit to the absurdity!?
"Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true" - Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
In which case it is fortunate that:
"Science is the best defense against believing what we want to" - Ian Stewart (1945- )
In which case it is fortunate that:
"Science is the best defense against believing what we want to" - Ian Stewart (1945- )
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:28 AM
Guess ill have to use this facepalm again today.
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I mean seriously???
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I mean seriously???
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:18 PM
i gave up on rense when he linked to a triangle UFO video which was shot in a closet.. you could even see the door opening at one stage
the russians have been talking about some star cannon for decades.. what's the big news?
the russians have been talking about some star cannon for decades.. what's the big news?
My contribution is deciding how giant mutant space goats travel in space.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:48 PM
unit, on 29 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:
i gave up on rense when he linked to a triangle UFO video which was shot in a closet.. you could even see the door opening at one stage
the russians have been talking about some star cannon for decades.. what's the big news?
the russians have been talking about some star cannon for decades.. what's the big news?
Really? can you give me the link?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:21 PM
That is certainly an interesting story! Pieces of the Challenger washed up on the beaches where I live, 60 miles southeast. He failed to mention whether it flew any other missions between the time it was lasered and the time it crashed?
I've been reading AW&ST for the better part of 40 years now, and am wondering if I read something about that incident back then?
I've been reading AW&ST for the better part of 40 years now, and am wondering if I read something about that incident back then?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:45 PM
Babe Ruth, on 29 April 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:
That is certainly an interesting story! Pieces of the Challenger washed up on the beaches where I live, 60 miles southeast. He failed to mention whether it flew any other missions between the time it was lasered and the time it crashed?
I've been reading AW&ST for the better part of 40 years now, and am wondering if I read something about that incident back then?
I've been reading AW&ST for the better part of 40 years now, and am wondering if I read something about that incident back then?
well im pretty sure you didn't read about it back then because its a bunch of crap, challenger was the most used vehicle in the fleet and flew 7 missions between this supposed incident and it's accident in 86, being as the heat resistant tiles were stripped and replaced after every mission i find it very hard to believe that any sort of damage would go unoticed, and of course the actual cause of the challenger explosion was an o ring fault in one the solid rocket boosters not the shuttle itself, there is plenty of video footage that shows the booster at fault The official report into challenger's destruction was pretty damning on nasa and was an embarrasment to the reagan administration, and lets face it reagan was certainly no friend of the soviets during this period which saw some very tense moments of the cold war, im sure if they could of pinned it on the soviets they would have.
of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right
peace out
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:38 PM
cenobite, on 29 April 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:
well im pretty sure you didn't read about it back then because its a bunch of crap, challenger was the most used vehicle in the fleet and flew 7 missions between this supposed incident and it's accident in 86, being as the heat resistant tiles were stripped and replaced after every mission i find it very hard to believe that any sort of damage would go unoticed, and of course the actual cause of the challenger explosion was an o ring fault in one the solid rocket boosters not the shuttle itself, there is plenty of video footage that shows the booster at fault The official report into challenger's destruction was pretty damning on nasa and was an embarrasment to the reagan administration, and lets face it reagan was certainly no friend of the soviets during this period which saw some very tense moments of the cold war, im sure if they could of pinned it on the soviets they would have.
of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right
peace out
of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right
peace out
Good points, but just a clarification on the bolded above...
The heat shield tiles / blankets were inspected after each mission and any damaged / missing tiles or blankets were replaced.
Stripping and replacing the entire heat shield system after each flight would be prohibitive from both a time and expense standpoint.
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Edited by Czero 101, 29 April 2012 - 07:39 PM.
"Thinking is critical, because sense is not common..." - GreaterSapien
"Enquiring and doubting the "official story" are also good things .... However when these doubts require you to ignore the evidence, to dishonestly cherry pick evidence and claim it supports your case when it doesn't, when you operate a double standard; demanding proof of that which is already proven whilst making unsupported statements and personal opinions to back your own case and when you deny the truth simply because it IS the official story then you are no longer acting in a rational way. This is not the behaviour of a "different thinker", this is the behaviour of a "believer" who chooses not to rationally think about the evidence at all." - Waspie Dwarf
"Enquiring and doubting the "official story" are also good things .... However when these doubts require you to ignore the evidence, to dishonestly cherry pick evidence and claim it supports your case when it doesn't, when you operate a double standard; demanding proof of that which is already proven whilst making unsupported statements and personal opinions to back your own case and when you deny the truth simply because it IS the official story then you are no longer acting in a rational way. This is not the behaviour of a "different thinker", this is the behaviour of a "believer" who chooses not to rationally think about the evidence at all." - Waspie Dwarf
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:12 PM
cenobite, on 29 April 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:
well im pretty sure you didn't read about it back then because its a bunch of crap, challenger was the most used vehicle in the fleet and flew 7 missions between this supposed incident and it's accident in 86, being as the heat resistant tiles were stripped and replaced after every mission i find it very hard to believe that any sort of damage would go unoticed, and of course the actual cause of the challenger explosion was an o ring fault in one the solid rocket boosters not the shuttle itself, there is plenty of video footage that shows the booster at fault The official report into challenger's destruction was pretty damning on nasa and was an embarrasment to the reagan administration, and lets face it reagan was certainly no friend of the soviets during this period which saw some very tense moments of the cold war, im sure if they could of pinned it on the soviets they would have.
of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right
peace out
of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right
peace out
Yes, I agree with everything you say, except possibly for your statement that 'it's a bunch of crap.'
Maybe it is, and maybe it's not. What I can remember is that we were in disagreement with the Russians on many things during the Cold War, but those disagreements were resolved in time to partner with them in the International Space Station.
The story this man tells could very well be true.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:39 PM
Checking public information at NASA website, STS 41G, the flight in question in this thread, was launched with a northeast (57 degree) inclination, which determines that its orbit would have placed it over Russia.
Most launch inclinations are southeast, this one was northeast.
Most launch inclinations are southeast, this one was northeast.
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