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[joc]

It is clear to those of us who actually seek the truth of 911 that The World Trade Center buildings were wired with explosives.  The questions have always been Why?, and Who Knew What and When?.  The following are thoughts of mine about the first question Why...as to  Who Knew What and When,...perhaps those thoughts will come later.

First we have to go back to the 12th century when the Knights Templar reigned. The Catholic Church set up the Knights Templar to protect Christians on their pilgrimages to the Holy Lands. The Knights Templar became very powerful and wealthy beyond belief. They in fact originated the first Banking System. Philip IV of France became so indebted to the Knights Templar that he couldn't even begin to ever repay them...so he destroyed them. He accused the leaders of heresy, of urinating on the cross and other despicable acts and burned them at the stake. Suddenly, King Philip was no longer indebted to the Knights Templar.
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Fast forward to 911. 911 was set up to ultimately accomplish one objective. Rid the US of Debt to China. To accomplish this it is necessary to Declare War on China...and The US has no reason. 911 began the road to war with China. There is no way to wage an effective war with China unless one deals with Iran first. And no sitting US President has done anything about Iran since The Shah was overthrown. To wage war on China, you first have to wage war on Iran, and you cannot wage an effective war against Iran with Saddam Hussein in control of Iraq. So it became necessary to first rid the world of Saddam Hussein. Saddam is long dead. We are no longer in Iraq and we are winding down in Afghanistan. And we are now all hearing about Iran's desire for Nuclear weapons. We have all heard how Iran has threatened Israel with annihilation. Just as 911 was set-up by The Controlling Entity so will the destruction of Israel be. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~~~~~~~~
Following is the likely scenario:
Iran will obtain a nuclear weapon. They will use it against Israel. Or Iran will not obtain a nuclear weapon and a False Flag attack of Israel with a nuclear weapon will occur.  This will cause both Israel and the United States Congress to Declare War on Iran. The Stage is already set for easy access to the battlefield with the destruction of the enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq. This will cause a sudden decrease in the amount of oil available to China and China will be forced to become involved in the conflict. Another False Flag (or maybe it won't be a false flag) will see China attacking American soldiers in such a way as to cause Congress to Declare War on China. A fast paced set of dramatic events which end in war with China. Once China has attacked the US and war has been declared on China; The US will simply refuse to repay China anything...ever. This will initially throw the world monetary system into chaos but the end result will be stability and supremacy of the US dollar. The End Game here is and always has been Stability and Control of the World Monetary Supply.
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The Controlling Entity exists as several layers. Each layer is a small group of very wealthy, very powerful individuals. Each group believes that IT is the top layer. The Presidency is the bottom layer. They are the 'reactors'. They react to World Events, but believe they are shaping World Events. The Second Tier are those who set-up the strategies...911, etc. The Top Tier are the Planners...these are the Visionaries who see what to do in order to bring about their number one objective.... Stability and Control of the World Monetary Supply. It is a Chess Game in which we are all pawns.

[Kasey2601]

[RaptorBites]

joc, on 19 March 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

It is clear to those of us who actually seek the truth of 911 that The World Trade Center buildings were wired with explosives.  The questions have always been Why?, and Who Knew What and When?.  The following are thoughts of mine about the first question Why...as to  Who Knew What and When,...perhaps those thoughts will come later.

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[Kasey2601]

Very nice Raptor!

[joc]

Offeiriad, on 20 March 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

Very nice Raptor!

Actually what would be very nice is if there were some rational comments.
I take it that you are not very sympathetic to this point of view.  I will venture that just the fact that I entered this into the Conspiracy Theory section floods the ethers with negative energy.  This negative energy is expected as the term Conspiracy Theory is a term created and perpetuated by the Illuminati to have exactly that effect.

Edited by joc, 20 March 2012 - 02:10 PM.

[Rafterman]

joc, on 19 March 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

It is clear to those of us who actually seek the truth of 911 that The World Trade Center buildings were wired with explosives.  The questions have always been Why?, and Who Knew What and When?.  The following are thoughts of mine about the first question Why...as to  Who Knew What and When,...perhaps those thoughts will come later.

First we have to go back to the 12th century when the Knights Templar reigned. The Catholic Church set up the Knights Templar to protect Christians on their pilgrimages to the Holy Lands. The Knights Templar became very powerful and wealthy beyond belief. They in fact originated the first Banking System. Philip IV of France became so indebted to the Knights Templar that he couldn't even begin to ever repay them...so he destroyed them. He accused the leaders of heresy, of urinating on the cross and other despicable acts and burned them at the stake. Suddenly, King Philip was no longer indebted to the Knights Templar.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fast forward to 911. 911 was set up to ultimately accomplish one objective. Rid the US of Debt to China. To accomplish this it is necessary to Declare War on China...and The US has no reason. 911 began the road to war with China. There is no way to wage an effective war with China unless one deals with Iran first. And no sitting US President has done anything about Iran since The Shah was overthrown. To wage war on China, you first have to wage war on Iran, and you cannot wage an effective war against Iran with Saddam Hussein in control of Iraq. So it became necessary to first rid the world of Saddam Hussein. Saddam is long dead. We are no longer in Iraq and we are winding down in Afghanistan. And we are now all hearing about Iran's desire for Nuclear weapons. We have all heard how Iran has threatened Israel with annihilation. Just as 911 was set-up by The Controlling Entity so will the destruction of Israel be. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~~~~~~~~
Following is the likely scenario:
Iran will obtain a nuclear weapon. They will use it against Israel. Or Iran will not obtain a nuclear weapon and a False Flag attack of Israel with a nuclear weapon will occur.  This will cause both Israel and the United States Congress to Declare War on Iran. The Stage is already set for easy access to the battlefield with the destruction of the enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq. This will cause a sudden decrease in the amount of oil available to China and China will be forced to become involved in the conflict. Another False Flag (or maybe it won't be a false flag) will see China attacking American soldiers in such a way as to cause Congress to Declare War on China. A fast paced set of dramatic events which end in war with China. Once China has attacked the US and war has been declared on China; The US will simply refuse to repay China anything...ever. This will initially throw the world monetary system into chaos but the end result will be stability and supremacy of the US dollar. The End Game here is and always has been Stability and Control of the World Monetary Supply.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Controlling Entity exists as several layers. Each layer is a small group of very wealthy, very powerful individuals. Each group believes that IT is the top layer. The Presidency is the bottom layer. They are the 'reactors'. They react to World Events, but believe they are shaping World Events. The Second Tier are those who set-up the strategies...911, etc. The Top Tier are the Planners...these are the Visionaries who see what to do in order to bring about their number one objective.... Stability and Control of the World Monetary Supply. It is a Chess Game in which we are all pawns.

Wouldn't it have just been a whole lot easier to declare war on China when they captured our spy plane a few months before 9/11 even happened?

Seems a lot simpler to gin up a reason to start shooting over something like that than orchestrate a decades long conspiracy.

But that's just me.

[Kasey2601]

joc, on 20 March 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Actually what would be very nice is if there were some rational comments.
I take it that you are not very sympathetic to this point of view.  I will venture that just the fact that I entered this into the Conspiracy Theory section floods the ethers with negative energy.  This negative energy is expected as the term Conspiracy Theory is a term created and perpetuated by the Illuminati to have exactly that effect.

Perhaps if there were a rational comment to offer the OP, I might've offered it, but there isn't, so I commented on Raptor's graphic instead.

[Wandering]

joc, on 20 March 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Actually what would be very nice is if there were some rational comments.
I take it that you are not very sympathetic to this point of view.  I will venture that just the fact that I entered this into the Conspiracy Theory section floods the ethers with negative energy.  This negative energy is expected as the term Conspiracy Theory is a term created and perpetuated by the Illuminati to have exactly that effect.

Interesting thought, ever had DMT?

Was the first time I ever considered there is some type of 'energy' around.

[Mr Right Wing]

joc, on 19 March 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

It is clear to those of us who actually seek the truth of 911 that The World Trade Center buildings were wired with explosives.  The questions have always been Why?, and Who Knew What and When?.  The following are thoughts of mine about the first question Why...as to  Who Knew What and When,...perhaps those thoughts will come later.

First we have to go back to the 12th century when the Knights Templar reigned. The Catholic Church set up the Knights Templar to protect Christians on their pilgrimages to the Holy Lands. The Knights Templar became very powerful and wealthy beyond belief. They in fact originated the first Banking System. Philip IV of France became so indebted to the Knights Templar that he couldn't even begin to ever repay them...so he destroyed them. He accused the leaders of heresy, of urinating on the cross and other despicable acts and burned them at the stake. Suddenly, King Philip was no longer indebted to the Knights Templar.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fast forward to 911. 911 was set up to ultimately accomplish one objective. Rid the US of Debt to China. To accomplish this it is necessary to Declare War on China...and The US has no reason. 911 began the road to war with China. There is no way to wage an effective war with China unless one deals with Iran first. And no sitting US President has done anything about Iran since The Shah was overthrown. To wage war on China, you first have to wage war on Iran, and you cannot wage an effective war against Iran with Saddam Hussein in control of Iraq. So it became necessary to first rid the world of Saddam Hussein. Saddam is long dead. We are no longer in Iraq and we are winding down in Afghanistan. And we are now all hearing about Iran's desire for Nuclear weapons. We have all heard how Iran has threatened Israel with annihilation. Just as 911 was set-up by The Controlling Entity so will the destruction of Israel be. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~~~~~~~~
Following is the likely scenario:
Iran will obtain a nuclear weapon. They will use it against Israel. Or Iran will not obtain a nuclear weapon and a False Flag attack of Israel with a nuclear weapon will occur.  This will cause both Israel and the United States Congress to Declare War on Iran. The Stage is already set for easy access to the battlefield with the destruction of the enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq. This will cause a sudden decrease in the amount of oil available to China and China will be forced to become involved in the conflict. Another False Flag (or maybe it won't be a false flag) will see China attacking American soldiers in such a way as to cause Congress to Declare War on China. A fast paced set of dramatic events which end in war with China. Once China has attacked the US and war has been declared on China; The US will simply refuse to repay China anything...ever. This will initially throw the world monetary system into chaos but the end result will be stability and supremacy of the US dollar. The End Game here is and always has been Stability and Control of the World Monetary Supply.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Controlling Entity exists as several layers. Each layer is a small group of very wealthy, very powerful individuals. Each group believes that IT is the top layer. The Presidency is the bottom layer. They are the 'reactors'. They react to World Events, but believe they are shaping World Events. The Second Tier are those who set-up the strategies...911, etc. The Top Tier are the Planners...these are the Visionaries who see what to do in order to bring about their number one objective.... Stability and Control of the World Monetary Supply. It is a Chess Game in which we are all pawns.

They are setting the stage to stop china by -
1. Cutting its oil supply from Iran off
2. Flooding China with drugs from Afganistan

and to make things worse we made exactly the same moves in the original Anglo-Chinese drug wars.

[shaddow134]

[Corp]

Why is Iran the key to invading China? For that matter why is Iraq the key to invading Iran?

[joc]

Corp, on 20 March 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Why is Iran the key to invading China? For that matter why is Iraq the key to invading Iran?

Thanks for asking Corp!
First, lets just take a look at the map shall we?  Just to put things in perspective.  China gets 20% of their oil from Iran...they are dependent on the Middle East for over 50% of their oil.
To begin with, I am not talking about 'invading China'.  A war with Iran would effectively cut off China's oil supply from the entire Middle East by closing the Strait of Hormuz and shutting down the other routes from Yemen.  China would invade Iran to secure the oil she desperately needs. Even if China didn't invade Iran, we would be in a position to negotiate debt from the stance of war.

There is an old adage that we heard from the days of Saddam..The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  With Saddam having the 4th largest army in the world, it would be nigh impossible to wage war on Iran.  But look at the the strategic advantage we now have for war against Iran and China.  Between China and Iran lies Afghanistan and between Israel and Iran lies Iraq.  And we are in a unique (and contrived) advantage of being able to stage a war from both.

[Rafterman]

joc, on 20 March 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Thanks for asking Corp!
First, lets just take a look at the map shall we?  Just to put things in perspective.  China gets 20% of their oil from Iran...they are dependent on the Middle East for over 50% of their oil.
To begin with, I am not talking about 'invading China'.  A war with Iran would effectively cut off China's oil supply from the entire Middle East by closing the Strait of Hormuz and shutting down the other routes from Yemen.  China would invade Iran to secure the oil she desperately needs. Even if China didn't invade Iran, we would be in a position to negotiate debt from the stance of war.

There is an old adage that we heard from the days of Saddam..The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  With Saddam having the 4th largest army in the world, it would be nigh impossible to wage war on Iran.  But look at the the strategic advantage we now have for war against Iran and China.  Between China and Iran lies Afghanistan and between Israel and Iran lies Iraq.  And we are in a unique (and contrived) advantage of being able to stage a war from both.

And all of the Stans and India are just going to sit back and let China use them like an interstate highway in their invasion of Iran?

Your theories have quite a few holes in them - not the least of which I pointed out above, there are a lot simpler ways to manufacture a war with China if that's really what the US wanted to do.

[aquatus1]

RaptorBites, on 20 March 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

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**All right, guys, Joc made it very clear what the parameters for this thought exercise are.  For the purposes of this discussion, it will be assumed that the WTC were wired with explosives.  Don't derail the OP of this thread.**

[joc]

Rafterman, on 21 March 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

And all of the Stans and India are just going to sit back and let China use them like an interstate highway in their invasion of Iran?

Your theories have quite a few holes in them - not the least of which I pointed out above, there are a lot simpler ways to manufacture a war with China if that's really what the US wanted to do.

I don't see that it makes any difference at all what India and Pakistan do.  The fact of the matter here is that a war with Iran will ultimately see the United States controlling all of the oil flow from the Middle East.  With over 50% of China's oil supply coming from that region, it would be hard to maintain an economic and military thrust for long.
Also, there is a degree of detente between the West and China with regard to Nuclear Weapons.  The fact remains that Iran as a Nuclear Power is an intolerable option.  Perhaps, I am overstepping as the reason for going to war with Iran might have everything to do with just that...ending Iran's threat against the West.  The ties between China, Russia and Iran however cannot be overlooked.  They are real.  China is both an economic  and military threat to the West.

It is important to remember though, how difficult it was, even after 911 to wage war against Iraq.  Without the threat of WMD and the undeniable attacks in New York...that simply could not have happened.  

As Aquatus1 pointed out...I am assuming that the WTC was wired for demolition in coordination with attacks that the CIA knew before hand were going to happen.  The question then becomes Why?  That is what this thread is really about.  If you don't believe the WTC was wired in advance of 911 that's okay.  But your comments then cease to have any relevance to this discussion.  

**SNIP**

**In the same way people will do you the courtesy of assuming something they do not agree with to discuss this topic, you do them the return courtesy of not taking advantage of that to promote the point of view you asked them to temporarily suspend their disbelief on.**

Edited by aquatus1, 22 March 2012 - 12:20 AM.