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[Night Walker]

Tia - perhaps you, I, and anyone else that has seen your footage just isn't qualified or experienced enough with FLIR to offer a decent analysis.

Why not try a Thermal Imaging Forum?

http://www.thermalimagingforum.com/

http://www.thermalim...ewforum.php?f=9

Cheers

NW

[Night Walker]

p.s. If you are serious about researching the Yowie and you do make contact with an independent FLIR forum or expert then be sure to do so in an open manner rather than simply shopping around for an agreeable opinion.

Remember:

Night Walker, on 28 March 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

I am not against you, Tia. We are after the same thing. We can learn much about it and ourselves but we have to move this discussion beyond the realm of beliefs and claims…

[ZaraKitty]

I used to live on a property that backed on to the national forest, I'd go down near the waterfall to get blackberries and I was down there once during the day and I heard the most terrifying roar coming from within forest, I took off so fast! I thought it was a tiger or something huge like that but my parents never believed me. Ohwell, take it as you will  

[Tia]

A loud roar, normally sounding like a cross between a lion and bear ( as mentioned by all witness accounts) is one of the most terrifying things a 'yowie' can do.

I've only heard it once and wasn't even living near bush at the time but it scared the **** out of all of us. The rational mind was trying to find explanations of what it could be and it wasn't till years later with no answers still that I finally through research due to an impending move starting leading me towards 'yowies' and common things listed by many witnesses.

[Night Walker]

Tia, on 10 April 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

A loud roar, normally sounding like a cross between a lion and bear ( as mentioned by all witness accounts) is one of the most terrifying things a 'yowie' can do.

I've only heard it once and wasn't even living near bush at the time but it scared the **** out of all of us. The rational mind was trying to find explanations of what it could be and it wasn't till years later with no answers still that I finally through research due to an impending move starting leading me towards 'yowies' and common things listed by many witnesses.

Where and when did you hear the roar? Can you use Google Maps or something to pinpoint the location?

[Tia]

It was when we first moved to the mountains and came from the direction of the bush which was at least 150-200mtrs away. Also you know I'd never give away where I live or have lived. I'm not sure if it was 98 or 99.

I swear it honestly sounded like what the African Safari sounded like and that was my first thought there's a loose lion nearby even though that too was totally unrealistic.

I even later went across to my next door neighbours and questioned them even though I sounded like a fool but they'd been out at the time.

[Sakari]

ZaraKitty, on 10 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I used to live on a property that backed on to the national forest, I'd go down near the waterfall to get blackberries and I was down there once during the day and I heard the most terrifying roar coming from within forest, I took off so fast! I thought it was a tiger or something huge like that but my parents never believed me. Ohwell, take it as you will  

I should record the noises coming from the woods on our property..............

Growls, roars, screams, etc....


Not everyone realise the sounds a Fox, Raccoon, Elk, Deer, Cougar ( Mountain Lion, Puma ), Wolverine, Owl ( many different kind ), and countless other animals ( and bugs ) can and do make.

I can hear a Fox, or a Owl , or a Elk in 99.9% of the " Bigfoot " sounds I hear on the internet and TV.........So can any hunter, or wild life enthusiast.......

When we have friends or family over, the sounds can freak them out, they had no idea........I could see how un-educated ( ignorant ) people could think it is a large hairy mythical creature........

[Night Walker]

Tia, on 10 April 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

I've only heard it once and wasn't even living near bush at the time

Tia, on 10 April 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

It was when we first moved to the mountains and came from the direction of the bush which was at least 150-200mtrs away. Also you know I'd never give away where I live or have lived. I'm not sure if it was 98 or 99.

Not giving away where you now live is understandable but I just thought it was from a different location by your earlier post.

If it was a Yowies do indeed roar and there are quite a few people out looking for them (or have them living behind their properties) why do you think that no-one has ever recorded the sound?

Why do you think you have never heard the roar again?

[DingoLingo]

Taun, on 19 March 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

I thought most Austrailians were bipedal... Well - at least most of the time...

You need to go to Kings Cross in Sydeny on a saturday night..

[Night Walker]

Tia, on 10 April 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

A loud roar, normally sounding like a cross between a lion and bear ( as mentioned by all witness accounts) is one of the most terrifying things a 'yowie' can do.

”A loud roar … as mentioned by ALL witness accounts” No – that is certainly not the case.

There are 2 major factions involved in Yowie Research – Team Gilroy and the Yowie Hunters. The Gilroys never report Yowie roars and mostly refute the notion whereas the roaring Yowie is part of Yowie Hunter mythology and is only reported by appropriately aligned Yowie Researchers and their friends:

Neil Frost: “When a Yowie stands 1 m in front of you and roars, you are not likely to think it's a possum or a cockatoo, are you?” source

Neil Frost (on fellow Yowie Researcher Jerry O’Connor): “Back in 2000, Jerry also described the roar as being similar to a lion or perhaps a bear.” source

Dean Harrison: “The first thing that entered my mind was Lion. The vocal capacity was huge, and its diaphragm bounced as it ran, creating a grunt on each step as it chased me. Enormous Roar..... Well out of reach of a Human. Very Lion'ish.” source

Steve Carter: “I only ever heard a growl once out along Winbourne Road and I have to agree it did sound like a lion as I recall from movies” source

Tish/Tia: “The howl we heard was early morning in winter and it was extremely foggy. Scared the c**p out of the kids and actually made me go inside and lock the doors too it was so loud and out of place… it was more like a cross between a lion and bear like you used to hear at the African Lion safari. Ours was more a roar then howl.” source


Of course, besides simply making it up (fantasizing for their audience) there is a rational explanation:

Steven van Dyck: “Given the terror that’s induced by noise alone, it might come as no surprise that out in that other great black-and-white arena, the Australian bush at night, I have a reputation for both my value-added imagination and a tendency to simultaneously reach for the brown corduroys. And with very good reason. Australian days may ring with the benign warbles of magpies, but gird up your loins, because after dark we have out there a suite of nocturnal screamers and grunters guaranteed to turn the toughest bronzed Auzzie bowels to water.

“Top of the list by about 4000 decibels is a bone-chilling roar that once had my wife and I huddled in the far corner of our tent all night waiting to be disemboweled. We’d figured the creature outside must have been an escaped lion desperate for real flesh after a lifetime of zoo-issue soya-loaf. Many years later, and having since identified the embarrassing source of those appalling roars, I was consulted by some men – tough by bar-room standards – who’d also endured the same bellowing routine. They’d locked themselves in their ute for the night, waiting nervously with cocked rifles for claws and slavering teeth to rip the doors off their hinges. Miraculously living through their ordeal, they’d made all the logical Auzzie conclusions and attributed the atrocious aural adventure to a roving yowie.

“On playing them a recording of the offender, none other than a rampant red deer bellowing across a reverberating valley (but not yet identifying the beast to them), they’d unanimously agreed that yes, indeed, it was a yowie call. But judging by the disbelief on their ashen faces when told what it was, I wondered what they were going to regret more…the annoying glitch in such a compelling pub yarn, or the amount of time they’d spent disinfecting the interior of their car for the sake of a big, bawling Bambi.

“Male red deer (Cervus elaphus) roar and attempt copulation relentlessly between March and June." source


Yowie Researchers (of either faction) rarely if ever admit they could be wrong or mistaken. That is sort of understandable (but not really excusable) when fantastic stories (like Yowies roaring into the Researcher’s face - never a camera at hand) are confabulated onto quite mundane natural experiences time and time again. It’s a great story after all…

[Tia]

Sakari thanks for the sounds the bear still freaks me lol.

When I had certain people here they got excited by an owl, it's like my God it's an owl don't you know your sounds yet. The goat was a good laugh .

NW, there's more people out there then those that belong to either faction over here, they actually avoid them and they tell the same story, even BF people I know do.

As for one well we can rule out that we know his whole encounter was bull****. For the other I always questioned that, this was his personal close one why would she roar in his face?

For me my encounter was in the morning and other things happened when we lived in that area, as I use to walk down the bush near us with my dogs a lot, things I questioned a lot but I hadn't even thought about HGs then. I was throwing all sorts of things around but never could find a reason behind them until later. When I realised what made that sound I just thought thank God it wasn't me copping that in my face lol.

So why has none ever roared at me? It's only living at this place where we sighted them and started a connection with them that I've had a chance to be sort of knowingly (yes they still hide) anywhere close to them and I believe a roar to be a warning or act of anger/ aggression at someone or something. We've never done anything to make our guys feel threatened nor has anyone else that knows about them here so there's no reason for an aggressive roar near here.

[Night Walker]

Tia, on 11 April 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

NW, there's more people out there then those that belong to either faction over here, they actually avoid them and they tell the same story, even BF people I know do.

I think you fail to realise just how influential both factions are when it comes to belief/folklore of the Yowie. Before my website the only information on the Yowie available in books, newspapers, video, and online came almost exclusively from these 2 sources (and I doubt that my website is making much of an impact – sensationalism still has massive appeal). Indeed, when you began seeking information on the Yowie you went to and were greatly influenced by the Yowie Hunters. Had you went along the path of Gilroy I suspect that your Yowie experience would be somewhat different.

Of course there are others outside the 2 main factions but, again, they too are greatly influenced by the available information (just like the folk in van Dyck’s account above) and none of them apparently care enough to speak out against shenanigans – it is more like a lark so why rock the boat? Siting other anonymous “BF people” as support is similarly, if not even more so, questionable considering a lot of these Yowie shenanigans (wood knocking, stick formations, call blasting, etc) were imported from the US.

Tia, on 11 April 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

As for one well we can rule out that we know his whole encounter was bull****. For the other I always questioned that, this was his personal close one why would she roar in his face?

Yet their accounts are largely no different to yours – including the psychic communication BS. Furthermore, there is no record of you ever questioning the validity of Yowie Hunter accounts (until after your split from them) while there are plenty of documented instances where you fully support their position – like that of the “Yowie vocalisations” supposedly recorded by the Yowie Hunter hoaxers from Caboolture.

I encourage you and anyone else to research the Yowie but you have to be able to accept criticism, question your own approach/results, document just about everything, and make it available for scrutiny. I only know of 1 who is doing that (also a former contributor to AYR) but I doubt whether he would want anything to do with your current approach. I encourage you to lift your game, Tia, above the standards of your former associates.

[Night Walker]

This episode of Paranormal TV contains an audio recording attributed to the Yowie at 0:49 –



"This chilling tape recording taken by a bird watcher in the marshland of south-east Victoria remains unclassifiable by any expert to this day. It is believed to be a genuine Yowie…"

Opinions?

[Sakari]

Night Walker, on 12 April 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

This episode of Paranormal TV contains an audio recording attributed to the Yowie at 0:49 –



"This chilling tape recording taken by a bird watcher in the marshland of south-east Victoria remains unclassifiable by any expert to this day. It is believed to be a genuine Yowie…"

Opinions?

I do not know much about Australian wildlife......To me it sounds just like the other " Bigfoot " howls on the internet from the US.......

My explanation.....It is from the internet, and claimed to be recorded some where else.

[Night Walker]

Sakari, on 13 April 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

I do not know much about Australian wildlife......

We have a lot of feral animals here like red deer (Cervus elaphus) - do you have any experience with their vocalisations?


The details about the audio are scant – the Yowie Researchers I asked about it either knew nothing about it or are refusing to share information (neither is unlikely). The ”recording taken by a bird watcher in the marshland of south-east Victoria” – that is not implausible. Birdwatchers often carry recording equipment in order to identify birds by their call. The barking dog heard at the end suggests it was recorded close to suburbia but that is speculative – could be a rural area.

It should be noted that:

1) there is no sighting attached to the recording – the sound is simply attributed to the Yowie (much like broken foliage, stick formations, etc). ”It is believed to be a genuine Yowie” by whom? “Yowie experts” are greatly biased in their opinions,

2) the visual display on the footage does not correlate with the recording – TV does that simply to dramatize the presentation,

and 3) rather than simply state ”This chilling tape recording … remains unclassifiable by any expert to this day” (more dramatization) the producers of the show missed a golden opportunity to actually ask some of the experts their opinion of it. Steve van Dyck is featured elsewhere on the program giving very sensible conclusions about how particular tracks are easily misidentified so why not ask him? As noted in a previous post above, van Dyck is very knowledgable about the various vocalisations of the Australian bush.