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[_Only]

missymoo999, on 20 March 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

http://nation.foxnew...ime-martial-law

http://www.newsmax.c...03/19/id/433104
How many links you want.

Well, that's just plain interesting.

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And this has nothing to do with Iran.It wasn't done for Afghanistan or iraq.
He tried to do this once before in 2009 during the alleged H1N1 pandemic as he termed it. This is because of OWS.Its what NDAA is about,and why they want to control the internet.
http://www.freerepub...s/2342121/posts
http://www.godlikepr...ssage882136/pg1

That's where you lost me. Your links made a blatant shift. Natural disaster or time of war, to...

We're in a time of natural disasters and wars (well, we always have been, but there's big things going on at the moment that screams attention for those). But you want to pin this on a sudden urge to take away everyone's rights, and readying of tanks and guns. It paints an exciting picture of evil, but does it really make sense, as opposed to the "official", relevant explanation?

edit: Here's the actual Executive Order - Executive Order for National Defense Resources Preparedness

Major words written there; major. But for what? Evil or good? You haven't sold me on your stance.

Sell me (us).

Edited by Jerry Only, 20 March 2012 - 06:02 AM.

[Timonthy]

missymoo999, on 20 March 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

But why are we moving them to all parts of the country ?
And its not a couple,its hundreds of them.
Have you seen the videos people have been filming all over the USA in the last year or so?
About 200 tanks go by .
They film it because they're so bored waiting for the flashers to turn off and the train to go by,so they can cross the road.Theyre stuck for almost ten minutes.
They've been filmed all over the east coast,west coast,and mid west ,that I know of.
You would assume all our army based have more than enough tanks on army property now,and have no need for an extra 300 or so.

300 tanks? Pretty small number there...

At least thousands before you start to get worried...

300 tanks rolling through Melbourne on the back of a train might be a bit of a different story, but not in the states.

[Stellar]

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But why are we moving them to all parts of the country ?
And its not a couple,its hundreds of them.
Have you seen the videos people have been filming all over the USA in the last year or so?
About 200 tanks go by .

Why? For various reasons. Training. Restationing. Repairs. Etc.

And BTW, they're not all "tanks". There's a variety of vehicles in those videos, and they all have their own role and usually work together in some way/shape or form.

Also, you're not going to do a battalion or brigade level exercise with 'a couple tanks'.

A few years back there was a similar video of Canadian military vehicles on trains headed to the US. People were crying bloody murder much the same way, saying that the US was preparing to get Canadian troops to "police" you. It was nothing more than us shipping down some of our vehicles so that we can participate in a training exercise on US soil.

Ironically, the videos of the Canadian tanks were taken back in I think 2009, and someone mentioned that these videos were taken then aswell. Coincidence? Probably not. They were probably both just going to the same exercise.

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They've been filmed all over the east coast,west coast,and mid west ,that I know of.

Well, yeah. The trains going somewhere, is it not? Its going to be in more than one location.

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You would assume all our army based have more than enough tanks on army property now,and have no need for an extra 300 or so.

You would "assume" wrong. Thats just not how things work.

[Thanato]

missymoo999, on 20 March 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

But why are we moving them to all parts of the country ?
And its not a couple,its hundreds of them.
Have you seen the videos people have been filming all over the USA in the last year or so?
About 200 tanks go by .
They film it because they're so bored waiting for the flashers to turn off and the train to go by,so they can cross the road.Theyre stuck for almost ten minutes.
They've been filmed all over the east coast,west coast,and mid west ,that I know of.
You would assume all our army based have more than enough tanks on army property now,and have no need for an extra 300 or so.

So again... how would you like those Military Hardware from Point A to Point B?

The US has large military bases all over the nation. Also has lots of Factories to retool and repair.

Nations have moved large number of military hardware on trains since...well the invention of the train.

Check out this video.

~Thanato

[Corp]

missymoo999, on 20 March 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Any time martial law would be declared,it would site an old law on the books for years,unless of course it's one of the ones from the constitution hes made redundant in the last 6 weeks.
http://nation.foxnew...ime-martial-law

http://www.newsmax.c...03/19/id/433104
How many links you want.
And this has nothing to do with Iran.It wasn't done for Afghanistan or iraq.
He tried to do this once before in 2009 during the alleged H1N1 pandemic as he termed it .
This is because of OWS.Its what NDAA is about,and why they want to control the internet.
http://www.freerepub...s/2342121/posts
http://www.godlikepr...ssage882136/pg1

You claimed that Martial Law has been declared in the US. Back that up. Because having the ability to declare Martial Law, an ability the US has had since its creation, isn't the same thing.

[_Only]

Corp, on 20 March 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

You claimed that Martial Law has been declared in the US. Back that up. Because having the ability to declare Martial Law, an ability the US has had since its creation, isn't the same thing.

Get what you're saying. But just seeing the President make an executive order, writing into words, how, given the event of a need for "national defense", he has given the government full power to seize control of basically every aspect of everything in the country (energy, resources, food, water) and bring any member of the "private sector" in to take executive government positions, with no ability for their position to be re-delegated, paints a scary picture.

It would be considered a step closer to the possibility of Martial Law. Of course, you will get those here and elsewhere that will call this "declaring Martial Law", which it isn't. They're bridging a gap that hasn't come. But the groundwork is being laid. Whether its intentions are to do that or not.

Edited by _Only, 20 March 2012 - 06:22 PM.

[Simbi Laveau]

_Only, on 20 March 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

Well, that's just plain interesting.



That's where you lost me. Your links made a blatant shift. Natural disaster or time of war, to...

We're in a time of natural disasters and wars (well, we always have been, but there's big things going on at the moment that screams attention for those). But you want to pin this on a sudden urge to take away everyone's rights, and readying of tanks and guns. It paints an exciting picture of evil, but does it really make sense, as opposed to the "official", relevant explanation?

edit: Here's the actual Executive Order - Executive Order for National Defense Resources Preparedness

My stance is,hes been bent on declaring martial law for ages.To what end we can only speculate.
I dont think it matters who is in office .Everything they are doing now.
Bills to keep us from peacefully protesting,bills to make it so we can be indefinitely detained,no judge no jury no recourse.
Militatizing our government,giving them drones,secret military bases all over the place,alleged FEMA camps  .
This all has one end.
Detain,silence,imprison,and god knows what else,in case of civil war,as its getting to that point.
I think I feel this much more acutely than people in other parts of the world,because I am in NYC.
Our cops do not serve and protect the public anymore.They are a revenue making army for our Fuhrer,and they beat ,frisk,search and detain people,for no reason now.
Everything they are doing to ows is being lied about thru the media.
If we figut back,they're going to go to war with us.
And once upon a time,middle America didn't care,well our farmers are all pretty pissed off now too.
They will kill us if they have to.Our own govt,killing civilians,just because we are tired of being their fodder.
And yes,I believe in planned genocide. The food supply will not sustain us all in years to come.
If they need food,and they can kill us,what do you think they will do.
Read up on Bill Gates and Monsanto ,and the forced gmos .
Its all quite interesting.

Edited by missymoo999, 20 March 2012 - 06:35 PM.

[Simbi Laveau]

Sorry,double post

Edited by missymoo999, 20 March 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[Bama13]

missymoo999, on 20 March 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

My stance is,hes been bent on declaring martial law for ages.To what end we can only speculate.
I dont think it matters who is in office .Everything they are doing now.
Bills to keep us from peacefully protesting,bills to make it so we can be indefinitely detained,no judge no jury no recourse.
Militatizing our government,giving them drones,secret military bases all over the place,alleged FEMA camps  .
This all has one end.
Detain,silence,imprison,and god knows what else,in case of civil war,as its getting to that point.
I think I feel this much more acutely than people in other parts of the world,because I am in NYC.
Our cops do not serve and protect the public anymore.They are a revenue making army for our Fuhrer,and they beat ,frisk,search and detain people,for no reason now.
Everything they are doing to ows is being lied about thru the media.
If we figut back,they're going to go to war with us.
And once upon a time,middle America didn't care,well our farmers are all pretty pissed off now too.
They will kill us if they have to.Our own govt,killing civilians,just because we are tired of being their fodder.
And yes,I believe in planned genocide. The food supply will not sustain us all in years to come.
If they need food,and they can kill us,what do you think they will do.
Read up on Bill Gates and Monsanto ,and the forced gmos .
Its all quite interesting.

You claim that our food supply will not sustain us all in years to come, but our government pays people NOT to grow food. Quite a dichotomy don'cha think?

[Simbi Laveau]

Bama13, on 20 March 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

You claim that our food supply will not sustain us all in years to come, but our government pays people NOT to grow food. Quite a dichotomy don'cha think?

I never said they paid anyone to not grow food.
The farmers are being forced to grow gmos,they are destroying lands to grow gmos,and thryare forcing us to eat them.
They refuse to label gmo food ,or haven't you noticed ?
The farmers are fighting Monsanto in court now,for fines Monsanto imposes upon them,for allegedly cross contaminating their fields,and infringing upon their copy right ?
The judge actually laughed at the farmers.

They want the public to eat nothing but the poison they force upon us,but you can bet our president and how family ,ONLY eats organic.

They are also systematically putting organic milk farmer out of business,so we are forced to drink nothing but the supermarket stuff,ladened with antibiotics and hormones.

[Corp]

_Only, on 20 March 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Get what you're saying. But just seeing the President make an executive order, writing into words, how, given the event of a need for "national defense", he has given the government full power to seize control of basically every aspect of everything in the country (energy, resources, food, water) and bring any member of the "private sector" in to take executive government positions, with no ability for their position to be re-delegated, paints a scary picture.

It would be considered a step closer to the possibility of Martial Law. Of course, you will get those here and elsewhere that will call this "declaring Martial Law", which it isn't. They're bridging a gap that hasn't come. But the groundwork is being laid. Whether its intentions are to do that or not.

Martial Law is always a scary picture since it's basically the military getting vast powers. I'm just don't see what's so terrifying about this bill. It gives the government power to take over various resources in an emergency. I can actually see this being a good thing since it cuts through all the politics and red tape and brings the full resources of the nation on a solving a problem.

It should be pointed out that Martial Law has been declared several times in American history for various reasons. Every time the area affected has been limited and each time regular law has been restored. I don't believe it's been  used on a national scale, not even during the American Civil War. There'd need to be some kind of end of the world event to justify declaring Martial Law across the country.

Again I'm not seeing the huge deal and this seems to be just a bunch of 'government is scary' and 'Obama is scary' talk. Can it be abused? Of course it can, but then so can any law. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or even will likely happen. I predict nothing will come of this...until around the next America election when this issue comes up again.

[Simbi Laveau]

Re :Farmers
http://www.cornucopi...ainst-monsanto/

http://organicconsum...santo/index.cfm

http://singularityhu...future-of-food/

http://www.organicco...s.org/raw-milk/


http://www.chelseagr...ution:paperback


http://www.draxe.com/raw-milk-rights/
This man,has since been put out of business,and his life ruined.

http://www.naturalne...od_freedom.html

If you search on the boards here,there's a story about a milk farmer jailed and tortured,not allowed to speak to a lawyer ,or make a call.

They want to take away our right to choose,everything,and some of us are done ...DONE.
I for one,am sick and tired of our government telling us if we can even fart in a wind storm.
They lie,they manipulate,they force us to take vaccines,and eat poisons,theywouldnt give their own dogs.
DONE

Edited by missymoo999, 20 March 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[HerNibs]

Anyone know how much ammo was bought in prior years?  This can't be the first time.

In my area we see tanks on trains all the time, also airplane parts, automobiles, coal, fuel, trees and sometimes other containers.  It's a common way to ship stuff.

Just where are tanks manufactured??

Nibs


ETA:

They have to move the equipment from point A to B somehow.  There would be even more freaking out if they just used the highways.

Edited by HerNibs, 20 March 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[_Only]

HerNibs, on 20 March 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Just where are tanks manufactured??

Tankco?

Wait, no, that's not it.

[acidhead]

Corp, on 20 March 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

Martial Law is always a scary picture since it's basically the military getting vast powers. I'm just don't see what's so terrifying about this bill. It gives the government power to take over various resources in an emergency. I can actually see this being a good thing since it cuts through all the politics and red tape and brings the full resources of the nation on a solving a problem.

It should be pointed out that Martial Law has been declared several times in American history for various reasons. Every time the area affected has been limited and each time regular law has been restored. I don't believe it's been  used on a national scale, not even during the American Civil War. There'd need to be some kind of end of the world event to justify declaring Martial Law across the country.

Again I'm not seeing the huge deal and this seems to be just a bunch of 'government is scary' and 'Obama is scary' talk. Can it be abused? Of course it can, but then so can any law. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or even will likely happen. I predict nothing will come of this...until around the next America election when this issue comes up again.

Economic collapse.  A global meltdown of the financial sector.  First goes the Euro than the whole house(fractional reserve central banking scam) of cards fall apart.  Martial law declared in many nations ensues.  Currency wars, trade wars... world war.