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[Socio]

Socio, on 21 March 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

Looks like this show will air again on:

Skinwalkers
Mon, Apr 2
9:00 PM

Tue, Apr 3
12:00 AM

Eyes of the Howler episode will air:


Saturday, March 24 @ 6:00 PM Central
Sunday, March 25 @ 1:00 AM Central
Monday, March 26 @ 5:00 PM Central

[msmike1]

What, in any of those videos, is odd. I personally didn't see a thing, or hear a thing in any of those that was out of the ordinary.

Mike

[RingFenceTheCity]

Totah Dine, on 20 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Holy ****!  The second calls sounds almost identical.  Wow!  Same pitch, same tone. I'm ****ting my pants right now. (no, not literally)

The second call starts at 1:59

Thanks, that's very interesting. I hope that the Navajo cops can finally bring the truth to light that bigfoot/skinwalkers are the same thing and just a four-legged clever mammal species which can also walk on their hind legs as a mimicking ability to fool interlopers onto their territory. I'll try and find a sight where I can pay by debit card to view the episode in the UK.

[RingFenceTheCity]

QuiteContrary, on 20 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

I just got to see the episode on The Howler. From what I got out of it people on the reservation have been hearing an odd howl at night. Including a police officer who was guiding the investigation.
And there were claims of footprints. The Navajo PD sent a team to investigate. Some of the people think it is bigfoot others a skinwalker.

They too heard a howl one PO said he could not identify, a couple smelled a weird smell, they found a tree that had almost all the bark scraped off.

The National Geographic camera caught what looked like eyes peering out from a small cave. And the police officer using the scope on his gun saw something in the same cave but wasn't sure what. "I see something in there"

So another officer went and looked in but said nothing was in there.

Great eyes, looked like a big head to me, the eyes were pretty far apart. Creepy. I like creepy.

But the eyes might look fake to someone else. Looked like a small place to wiggle into for a large? animal.

But, the investigation ended as soon as it started, just like all the others. They were called away to a fight.

Thanks for posting it.

Here's the clip which shows the eyes and the howl. The eyes *are* far apart with a more yellow hue than a red one imv. This indicates a *big* male imo, just like the one that crossed the road in front of the patrol car. Notice that the rear end had a bear-like shamble to it, which is often a feature of the African version of the were-beast.

[msmike1]

tailormaneinafog, on 23 March 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Here's the clip which shows the eyes and the howl. The eyes *are* far apart with a more yellow hue than a red one imv. This indicates a *big* male imo, just like the one that crossed the road in front of the patrol car. Notice that the rear end had a bear-like shamble to it, which is often a feature of the African version of the were-beast.

Seriously, why couldn't that have been a coyote? You see a pair of eyes in a cave, hear a howl, and say oh yeah that was most definitely a werewolf. Couldn't have been a coyote. Why? what evidence in that video makes anyone think that it had to be a werewolf, skinwalker, were beast or whatever the hell you want to call it. Ignorance at its best.

Mike

[QuiteContrary]

"Eyes" look too far apart for a coyote or dog, to me. But I haven't made the jump to cryptid either. I'm just glad someone found something for once on these shows and for me the story and eyes look creepy even if, as I assume, all is perfectly explainable.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 23 March 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[msmike1]

QuiteContrary, on 23 March 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

"Eyes" look too far apart for a coyote or dog, to me. But I haven't made the jump to cryptid either. I'm just glad someone found something for once on these shows and for me the story and eyes look creepy even if, as I assume, all is perfectly explainable.

There is nothing abnormal about the distance between this animal's eyes. Large coyotes or a large dog could easily have eyes that far apart. Also, I guess there was no tracks, no scat, or any other actual evidence that the animal was there.

Mike

[keninsc]

There's nothing creepy about the eye distance from what I could see because there's nothing in the photo that gives you a sense of scale, those eyes could belong to any regular creature living in that part of the country. What I found interesting is the camera guy found it and didn't apparently tell anyone who could check closer or shoot the beasty. Just sort of took his pictures and then at some point moved on, apparently unafraid that the beast would swoop out and attack him.....oh, that's right he's the camera dude. They don't get attacked. *rolls eyes*

Why? Because there's no money if finding out the truth behind the legend of Bigfoot.....much like there's no money in curing cancer, the money's in the treatment, not a cure. They find a cure, you get a shot or have a minor procedure done and you're cured. small one time fee and you're done. The money for Bigfoot is in the legend and finding evidence, find a Biggy and it's all over, mystery solved. That's why MM will make sure they never actually catch or find the hard evidence they need to prove anything, ain't no money in it. But say, "...I think there's a squach in these woods....", all whispery and on camera by the light of a night vision light and you got a hit show. See what I mean?

[QuiteContrary]

msmike1, on 23 March 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

There is nothing abnormal about the distance between this animal's eyes. Large coyotes or a large dog could easily have eyes that far apart. Also, I guess there was no tracks, no scat, or any other actual evidence that the animal was there.

Mike

They never looked for evidence, the cop was directed to the cave via another officer looking thru a scope and then they had to immediately leave after the cop looked inside.

Sure, I agree, I can't argue with certainty about the size of the head or kind of animal, but it looked like they were far apart and after googling "coyote eyes at night" these were much farther apart comparing one eye to the other eye on the animal in the cave was the comparison I used.

The eyes aren't creepy because of their distance apart they were creepy to me just because. And I said it didn't look like a large animal could fit in the cave such as a 7-9 foot bigfoot. And I give no consideration for the existence of skinwalkers (witches). But I get creeped out about some things that are real too and some things that are imaginary.

[tempus]

Totah Dine, on 20 March 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

That wasn't a Skinwalker.  People around Crownpoint have been hearing it and seeing it for years.  It's similar to a Bigfoot.  By the way, I live about 50 miles from Crownpoint.  Yes I watched it.  The eyes were creepy as Hell.

Get yourself a camcorder   And few friends and go look for. It !! Lol
Don't forget the guns.   Lol. And if yu see those creepy eyes like in the show. Just start shooting !  O__o

Edited by tempus, 24 March 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[msmike1]

QuiteContrary, on 23 March 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

They never looked for evidence, the cop was directed to the cave via another officer looking thru a scope and then they had to immediately leave after the cop looked inside.

Sure, I agree, I can't argue with certainty about the size of the head or kind of animal, but it looked like they were far apart and after googling "coyote eyes at night" these were much farther apart comparing one eye to the other eye on the animal in the cave was the comparison I used.

The eyes aren't creepy because of their distance apart they were creepy to me just because. And I said it didn't look like a large animal could fit in the cave such as a 7-9 foot bigfoot. And I give no consideration for the existence of skinwalkers (witches). But I get creeped out about some things that are real too and some things that are imaginary.

They never looked for evidence? Why? You will have to excuse my ignorance on the matter as I did not watch the show, just the short video clip.

Mike

[QuiteContrary]

msmike1, on 24 March 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

They never looked for evidence? Why? You will have to excuse my ignorance on the matter as I did not watch the show, just the short video clip.

Mike

The National Geographic cameraman spotted "eyes" looking out from what looked like a small cave. The cops were split up looking for the creature. One was looking at the rocky hillside from what looked like quite a distance with his scope.

He was made aware of the "eyes" in the cave and looked in it with his scope from a distance away. He too saw "something" inside.

So he then guided one of the other officers on the hillside to the location of the cave to look inside. He did and said he saw "nothing".

Immediately they were called away to a gang disturbance at a school.

They did see a tree that had almost all the bark torn off, they pointed this out like that was unusual or something.

The officer who looked into the cave personally did not investigate the debris in the cave or anything. Or make any comments about prints outside the cave. It was all over pretty quickly. Which for these shows is not surprising at all.

The officers were wandering about looking around for signs before the cave incident. But the sightings such as "eyes" and "something in the cave" seemed to warrant no explanation or further investigation. Typical.

That is the best of my recollection (though it may be clear as mud), someone else may want to argue a different scenario.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 24 March 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Paracelse]

bigtroutak, on 20 March 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

I've never heard of Navajo cops before but being a relatively new Arizonan the whole skinwalker thing has my interest piqued. Anyways I did some googling and found this articleMy link

Very long article with detailed accounts.

You should read most of Tony Hillerman's books... They are all about Navajo cops:  Joe Liphorn and Jim Chee (who also an apprentice shaman)

[Totah Dine]

tailormaneinafog, on 23 March 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

Thanks, that's very interesting. I hope that the Navajo cops can finally bring the truth to light that bigfoot/skinwalkers are the same thing and just a four-legged clever mammal species which can also walk on their hind legs as a mimicking ability to fool interlopers onto their territory. I'll try and find a sight where I can pay by debit card to view the episode in the UK.

skinwalkers and bigfoot are NOT the same thing.

[Paracelse]

Totah Dine, on 24 March 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

skinwalkers and bigfoot are NOT the same thing.

Skinwalkers are human, man or woman who can shapeshift on demand through the path of evil.  Skinwalker is a term used mostly within the Navajo nation and the evil path is called the Witchery way.