Harte, on 18 February 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

However, I explained to you not only the proportion used by the Ancient Egyptians to build the pyramid, but also their method of measuring angles.

The pyramid next door, Kephren's, was built using the proportion 21:1 (21 fingers "in" to 1 cubit - 28 fingers - up.)

Manipulation of the same measurements used by the fringe on the Great Pyramid yeilds almost exactly 3 on Kephren's pyramid for exactly the same reasons:

21: 28 when manipulated leads to the ratio 84:28. 84/28 = 3.

You can play with numbers all day long but in the end, the fact is that the GP was constructed with a slope of 22 fingers "in" for each cubit up, with the cubit (again) equal to 28 fingers. And it is this ratio that is manipulated using unexplained methods to arrive at pi and phi.

Exact proportions like these (whole number fingers per cubit) can be found on every pyramid built by the Ancient Egyptians. Every single one.

It's true that I've made up my mind. You have only rehashed some of the things I've looked at in the past. Your posts on this are nothing new to me.

Was I supposed to remain undecided until you decided to post materials I've already considered in making up my mind?

My mind was made up upon examining the actual evidence that we actually have. Not by deciding what could or couldn't have been. I understand what you are trying to imply here and I assure you that in my case, I've thoroughly researched the facts of the matter and found the claims you mentioned here to be baseless.

What is so hard about the 22:28 ratio? It leads to every number you claim, and it does not involve pi

**or**phi at all.

I told you the value the Egyptians used at the time for pi. If they knew what pi was, why would they do this?

There's no question that pretty much all ancient peoples, and likely Homo Erectus, recognized the equinox and solstices. The Ancient Egyptians absolutely did.

What of it? It takes no real knowledge to do this, nor any real technology to predict these dates.

Speculation that such observations "could have" led to some sort of science, a science that we have not a shred of evidence for, is a parlor game, not a logical discussion. It could be fun, but I'm not interested, given what I already know.

Harte

Just out of interest, whos survey on the G.P. do you think is most accurate, Petrie, or cole? ....My corespondence with the "expert" that I mentioned a few posts above has hit a brick wall on this point. I'm inclined to believe Cole's was the best to date - he uncovered the remaining casing stones, and established exactly where 3 of the four corner sockets were, where as Petrie had difficulty with this. Petrie however probably spent longer on his triangulations, and had a larger theodolite(10 inch apparently ...ooh err) I believe it could measure a second of a degree, which is equivalent to the distances subtended by a dime at the distance of a mile! however, Petrie survey was 50 years earlier, and i might if I dare mention that he was a man of god, and possibly had lofty aspirations. His survey of the kings chamber is recognized as second to none, but the exact perimeter of the G.P.???

On the theory of the palms and cubits, all I can say is Why? The A.E.s leveled the ground, aligned it to true north, but when it came to the slope they just said 22 in 28 will be fine?

Also, as to Pi, I could give you pi to 5 decimals with string and a stick in the sand, so why not pi? what if some of the actual evidence is missing - you migh be missing out on something, or have misunderstood something that could overturn prevailing notions.

for general interest, the following is an excerpt from Secrets or the Pyramids pp. 212:

sexagesimal, Decimal and Quaternary Relations of Ancient Egytian Units of Measure:

60 palms = 1 canne

60 feet = 1 short schoenion

60 decapodes = 1 stadium

60 short schoenia = 1 herabic mile

60 plethra = 1 egyptian mile or minmute of degree

60 stadia = 1 grand scoenia

60 egytian miles = 1 degree of moira

60 grand scoenia = 1 sexagesime

60 sexagesimes = 1 circumference of the globe

10 egyptian feet = 1 decapode

10 egyptian cubits = 1 canne oe egyptian pole

10 orgyie or brasses = 1 short schoenioin

10 decapodes = 1 plethron

10 cannes =1 side of land unit of 100 cubits (aurora?)

10 short schoenia = 1 stadium

10 stadia = 1 egyptian mile

10 grand scoenia = 1 degree of longitude

4 fingers = 1 palm

4 palms = 1 foot

4 cubits = 1 orgyie or brasse

4 cannes = 1 short schoenion

4 sides of 100 cubits (aroura?) = 1 stadium

**Edited by bom shankra, 20 February 2013 - 06:57 AM.**