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[grendille]

Do i think it's possible to have a bird with a 10 foot wingspan up here in my home state?  Sure I do, hell the ravens up here are the size of Hawks with what seems to be a HUGE wingspan.  That said I doubt most eyewitness accounts that use size as a descriptor, whether it be describing a criminal suspect or a cryptid.  From my experience it is extremely difficult to judge scale in an open sky.  For example those Ravens with the HUGE wingspans are impressive in flight but on the ground they are just FAT ravens.

[Farmerboy]

tailormaneinafog, on 02 April 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Maybe there aren't so large is what I'm saying! The fish/eel and blood diet would be ideal energy food. I've done some doodles to explain some further ideas. Also note that I've studied aerodynamics and can say with certainty that the weight is only a single factor in flight. The amount of lift is paramount. Wings outstretched all the time would greatly increase the lift compared to a standard type of bird propulsion. There is no standard reason why this idea wouldn't work. Fact.When flying in a saucer shape, the owl could be inverted with it's head turned around by 180 degrees!! This means that the saucer-shape produces lift and still the owl can see the ground below. Maybe it's an efficiency increase in slow speed hovering over still water? When the owlman was drawn by the two girls independently, both showed *two* pairs of thick black claws with comotion going on behind btw. It all fits imv. Also, this configuration only requires a short wingspan when compared with a standard large bird. Does this video show one of landing early in the morning, or is it simply something else?The giant barn owl existed until at least 10,000 years ago!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjO4zy52x8g&feature=watch_response

Thats all well and good but from my studies I can safely say that theres not a hope in hell that an owl that turns itself into a frisbee and flaps its feet would evolve. Fact!. Sure outstretched wings work, theres pleanty of birds that glide using thermal uplift to fly but thats not the problem....its the whole turns into a disc, flaps feet etc

Eels and blood wouldnt be enough, let alone to get enough blood would be a problem. To drink enough blood,it wouldnt be able to fly away as it would be too heavy. Vampire bats get around this by quickly drawing out the bloods plasma during digestion andhaving efficient kidneys producing very concentrated urine reducing the weight allowing it to fly. Your bird would face the same problems as well, although birds produce uric acid which would be easily visible.......along with all the exanguinated animals lying about.

[Archimedes]

This has to be a joke.

A giant underwater swimming owl that flies upside down in a saucer shape with it's head turned round 180 degrees and flaps its webbed feet super fast in order to propel it at super speeds? What the.....?

[DieChecker]

tailormaneinafog, on 02 April 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

The giant owl idea has been around for a long time I've just found out. The evidence is overwhelming imv. See this cryptomundo article Enormous and evil bird: Big Owl

That is the Piasa Bird. It is more of a Griffon or Dragon then an Owl.

tailormaneinafog, on 02 April 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

This is the best evidence yet imo: Mothman...giant Owl?

I think that the "Mothman was an Owl" idea to have some real possibilities. I've been swooped over by a large owl at night a couple times, and even though logically you know it has like a 3 or 4 foot wingspan, it seems monsterous and gigantic.

tailormaneinafog, on 02 April 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Here's more with some comment experiences too Giant Winged Creature Sighted Several Times In Alaska:

The wingspan of 10 feet seems the about right imo:

This was reported as an eagle like critter right? You're link was 404 for me. Is this the same thing?
http://archives.cnn....aska.bird.reut/

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Schemf and Rob Macdonald of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said there had been several sightings over the past year and a half of a Steller's eagle, a fish-eating bird that can weigh 20 pounds (10 kg) and have a wingspan of eight feet (2.60 meters), the newspaper reported.

I tend to agree that it was likely a Stellers sea eagle. They get pretty big.

[RingFenceTheCity]

I've changed my mind w.r.t to the giant owl hypothesis. I think that they are an archaic species of bird which this subspecies just happens to look like a giant owl. The two seen fighting would have ignored the humans nearby and so the sinister red eyes would have been missed. The paralysing effect of their gaze and the superspeed of flight seem to much for the evolution of the owl imv. An archaic species of flying reptile is more likely to have developed bioluminescense from virus DNA transfer, due to them having had much more time to acquire it. I'm still sure about the owlman of cornwall hovering with wings outstretched and using a webbed or feathered talon for lift on each foot. The head turned 180 degrees also seems to fit. The disc shape and foot propulsion is also the only alternative imv. Just not regular birds, that's all.

An archaic bird would have an air-sac system which had evolved in a low oxygen atmosphere. This would mean that in a high oxygen atmosphere of today they would have 'super-energy' for super fast flight.

Edited by tailormaneinafog, 03 April 2012 - 01:29 PM.

[orangepeaceful79]

tailormaneinafog, on 03 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

I've changed my mind w.r.t to the giant owl hypothesis. I think that they are an archaic species of bird which this subspecies just happens to look like a giant owl. The two seen fighting would have ignored the humans nearby and so the sinister red eyes would have been missed. The paralysing effect of their gaze and the superspeed of flight seem to much for the evolution of the owl imv. An archaic species of flying reptile is more likely to have developed bioluminescense from virus DNA transfer, due to them having had much more time to acquire it. I'm still sure about the owlman of cornwall hovering with wings outstretched and using a webbed or feathered talon for lift on each foot. The head turned 180 degrees also seems to fit. The disc shape and foot propulsion is also the only alternative imv. Just not regular birds, that's all.

An archaic bird would have an air-sac system which had evolved in a low oxygen atmosphere. This would mean that in a high oxygen atmosphere of today they would have 'super-energy' for super fast flight.

You know, you have an amazingly creative mind for fictional creatures - have you ever considered teaming up with a comic book artist and trying to use some of your creations along those lines?  They have no value in the real world, but I can see a market for them in the world of the fantasy genre.  I'm being totally serious and not derisive in any way.

[RingFenceTheCity]

orangepeaceful79, on 03 April 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

You know, you have an amazingly creative mind for fictional creatures - have you ever considered teaming up with a comic book artist and trying to use some of your creations along those lines?  They have no value in the real world, but I can see a market for them in the world of the fantasy genre.  I'm being totally serious and not derisive in any way.

Thanks for the compliment, but no, I'll let anyone use the ideas they find for comic book creatures if they want.

Here's footage of a bat crossing at 1.17 folloed by three birds at seems.


Here's another of a big bird crossing apparently

Edited by tailormaneinafog, 03 April 2012 - 02:12 PM.

[Farmerboy]

tailormaneinafog, on 03 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

I've changed my mind w.r.t to the giant owl hypothesis. I think that they are an archaic species of bird which this subspecies just happens to look like a giant owl. The two seen fighting would have ignored the humans nearby and so the sinister red eyes would have been missed. The paralysing effect of their gaze and the superspeed of flight seem to much for the evolution of the owl imv. An archaic species of flying reptile is more likely to have developed bioluminescense from virus DNA transfer, due to them having had much more time to acquire it. I'm still sure about the owlman of cornwall hovering with wings outstretched and using a webbed or feathered talon for lift on each foot. The head turned 180 degrees also seems to fit. The disc shape and foot propulsion is also the only alternative imv. Just not regular birds, that's all.An archaic bird would have an air-sac system which had evolved in a low oxygen atmosphere. This would mean that in a high oxygen atmosphere of today they would have 'super-energy' for super fast flight.

Just to know, how do you propose the magnetic gaze thing works, ie how are they supposed to generate a magnetic field powerful enough to paralyse and focus it out of their eyes? Birds may navigate using magnetic fields through the use of magnetite or the effect of magnetic fields on cryptochrome pigments activated by blue light, but I cant understand where your magnetobeam comes in.

[ZaraKitty]

Maybe it Superman?

[RingFenceTheCity]

Farmerboy, on 04 April 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Just to know, how do you propose the magnetic gaze thing works, ie how are they supposed to generate a magnetic field powerful enough to paralyse and focus it out of their eyes? Birds may navigate using magnetic fields through the use of magnetite or the effect of magnetic fields on cryptochrome pigments activated by blue light, but I cant understand where your magnetobeam comes in.

They might have some magnetite in their blood or something? The extreme hatred concentrates the 'blood' flow into magnetic resonance crystalization, who knows...? Maybe it's because we're so physically weak now compared to the rest of the animal world. A chimpanzee is four times stronger than the world's strongest man for instance. That's assuming they have red blood like our own. If they evolved from a sea creature that flew from the waves, then they could be *totally* different and have something else running through their 'veins'.

Edited by tailormaneinafog, 04 April 2012 - 12:57 PM.

[RingFenceTheCity]

I've just seen the last moon footage for the first time. It's one of the best as a strange flying technique appears to be seen imo. It's a jellyfish-like technique isn't it? Not flying jellyfish surely???!!! (Not the goo falling from the sky??!)

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It does move really FAST! I have NOT changed any of the video settings. This is actually the way it was recorded on my JVC Everio camcorder. I never change any settings or edit any videos because I want people to be able to see my videos un edited. Good observation thou and great question. Thanks!

It's at t=1.12 secs
https://www.youtube....h?v=eHPfP633nc8

This is another good one at t=49 secs. It's coming towards the camera. The pause option doesn't capture it unfortunately. My eyes do. If anyone could provide a still it would be amazing. Wait! He does the slow-mo version replay at t=1.12secs!! Aarh, two geese. Still nice control footage of regular birds at night. Good focus.
https://www.youtube....feature=related

Here's the latest compilation dated 29Jan 2012
https://www.youtube....h?v=2GnTZZVPo9w

Edited by tailormaneinafog, 04 April 2012 - 01:29 PM.

[RingFenceTheCity]

[Englishgent]

tailormaneinafog, on 03 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

I've changed my mind w.r.t to the giant owl hypothesis. I think that they are an archaic species of bird which this subspecies just happens to look like a giant owl. The two seen fighting would have ignored the humans nearby and so the sinister red eyes would have been missed. The paralysing effect of their gaze and the superspeed of flight seem to much for the evolution of the owl imv. An archaic species of flying reptile is more likely to have developed bioluminescense from virus DNA transfer, due to them having had much more time to acquire it. I'm still sure about the owlman of cornwall hovering with wings outstretched and using a webbed or feathered talon for lift on each foot. The head turned 180 degrees also seems to fit. The disc shape and foot propulsion is also the only alternative imv. Just not regular birds, that's all.

An archaic bird would have an air-sac system which had evolved in a low oxygen atmosphere. This would mean that in a high oxygen atmosphere of today they would have 'super-energy' for super fast flight.

Just a small problem here Tailor. The oxygen level of today is less than what is was before, specially in prehistoric times. Back then there was about 20% more oxygen than there is now, hence the much larger size of insects then such as giant centipedes and dragon flies with a 3 foot wingspan. Todays insects cannot achieve that size due to there being less oxygen.
Maybe you had better change your mind on this theory too?  

edit....typo

Edited by Englishgent, 04 April 2012 - 01:53 PM.

[Farmerboy]

tailormaneinafog, on 04 April 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

They might have some magnetite in their blood or something? The extreme hatred concentrates the 'blood' flow into magnetic resonance crystalization, who knows...? Maybe it's because we're so physically weak now compared to the rest of the animal world. A chimpanzee is four times stronger than the world's strongest man for instance. That's assuming they have red blood like our own. If they evolved from a sea creature that flew from the waves, then they could be *totally* different and have something else running through their 'veins'.

The magnetite reacts to magnetic fields rather than generating one. I dont see how this would paralyse a human being.

So they arent birds or vertebrates anymore and evolved from something else? I say this because pretty much all vertebrates use haemoglobin as their oxygen carriers and thus for the mostpart red blood.

tailormaneinafog, on 04 April 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I've just seen the last moon footage for the first time. It's one of the best as a strange flying technique appears to be seen imo. It's a jellyfish-like technique isn't it? Not flying jellyfish surely???!!! (Not the goo falling from the sky??!)It's at t=1.12 secshttps://www.youtube....eHPfP633nc8This is another good one at t=49 secs. It's coming towards the camera. The pause option doesn't capture it unfortunately. My eyes do. If anyone could provide a still it would be amazing. Wait! He does the slow-mo version replay at t=1.12secs!! Aarh, two geese. Still nice control footage of regular birds at night. Good focus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAGyBPORRrQ&feature=relatedHere's the latest compilation dated 29Jan 2012https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GnTZZVPo9w

Those my friend are bats

[Abramelin]

OMG, a giant holding the sun !!!