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#1    Karlis

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:14 PM

Depleted Uranium is used in untold number of weapons, from bullets to bombs. This article describes the "problem", but Mainstream Media generally seems to have ignored this issue.

What are the implication of this for future generations? What are your thoughts and suggestions? Please discuss.
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Depleted Uranium Contamination: A Crime against Humanityby Dr. Arun  Shrivastava

This article is part of a longer essay on Depleted Uranium weapons, nuclear reactors and their environmental health impacts.

In  this article the long term consequences of radiation contamination from  unilateral aggression of the US and NATO countries on South and West  Asia are discussed.

Depleted Uranium or DU [1]  encased bombs that have been used since 1991 by US and NATO forces  knowing well that the use of DU weapons is illegal being weapons of mass  destruction [WMD] and amounts to War Crimes. These weapons were used in  Gulf War 1 against Iraq, then in the Balkans and later, after 9/11  events, in Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa, Libya and now being used in  Drone bombings in Pakistan.


'Depleted Uranium'  has nothing depleted about it: when this potent hard metal hits a solid  surface like concrete or a battle tank, the temperature at the point of  impact reaches over 40000C and turns the projectile into  uranium oxide gas. These gases are picked up by the wind and carried all  over the world creating vast areas of secondary contamination. Based on  the population within the contamination map [Map 1], over 35% of  India's population received a heavy dosing of DU aerosolized uranium  nano particles within months of the start of Afghan and Iraq wars. [2]


The Wind Carries these Deadly Particles and Gas
Each  time southwesterly air currents rise up over North Africa and West  Asia, they pick up radioactive nano particles and blow right across  India. These winds also blow across the Himalayas where these particles  are rained out or snowed out. These particles are carried by the  perennial Himalayan Rivers irrigate the agriculture lands that feed 1.6  billion Asians.

It  means that the use of depleted uranium weapons can compromise the  future quality of human population and all life forms. Responsible  scientists had warned that DU weapons are WMD and must not be used. Yet  DU weapons are being extensively used in Afghanistan particularly in the  eastern parts, including the heavily populated Kabul and Jalalabad.  Studies conducted by Uranium Medical Research Centre  (UMRC) showed a ratio of 237 times in returning Gulf War I British  soldiers, which 'indicated the presence of 30-50% of DU mixed with  natural uranium.' [10]
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:41 PM

View PostKarlis, on 27 March 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Depleted Uranium is used in untold number of weapons, from bullets to bombs. This article describes the "problem", but Mainstream Media generally seems to have ignored this issue.

What are the implication of this for future generations? What are your thoughts and suggestions? Please discuss.
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Depleted Uranium Contamination: A Crime against Humanityby Dr. Arun  Shrivastava

This article is part of a longer essay on Depleted Uranium weapons, nuclear reactors and their environmental health impacts.

In  this article the long term consequences of radiation contamination from  unilateral aggression of the US and NATO countries on South and West  Asia are discussed.

Depleted Uranium or DU [1]  encased bombs that have been used since 1991 by US and NATO forces  knowing well that the use of DU weapons is illegal being weapons of mass  destruction [WMD] and amounts to War Crimes. These weapons were used in  Gulf War 1 against Iraq, then in the Balkans and later, after 9/11  events, in Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa, Libya and now being used in  Drone bombings in Pakistan.


'Depleted Uranium'  has nothing depleted about it: when this potent hard metal hits a solid  surface like concrete or a battle tank, the temperature at the point of  impact reaches over 40000C and turns the projectile into  uranium oxide gas. These gases are picked up by the wind and carried all  over the world creating vast areas of secondary contamination. Based on  the population within the contamination map [Map 1], over 35% of  India's population received a heavy dosing of DU aerosolized uranium  nano particles within months of the start of Afghan and Iraq wars. [2]


The Wind Carries these Deadly Particles and Gas
Each  time southwesterly air currents rise up over North Africa and West  Asia, they pick up radioactive nano particles and blow right across  India. These winds also blow across the Himalayas where these particles  are rained out or snowed out. These particles are carried by the  perennial Himalayan Rivers irrigate the agriculture lands that feed 1.6  billion Asians.

It  means that the use of depleted uranium weapons can compromise the  future quality of human population and all life forms. Responsible  scientists had warned that DU weapons are WMD and must not be used. Yet  DU weapons are being extensively used in Afghanistan particularly in the  eastern parts, including the heavily populated Kabul and Jalalabad.  Studies conducted by Uranium Medical Research Centre  (UMRC) showed a ratio of 237 times in returning Gulf War I British  soldiers, which 'indicated the presence of 30-50% of DU mixed with  natural uranium.' [10]
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So are we to expect mass cancer deaths, sterilization and infertility over all of SW Asia?  The efficacy of DU in weapons is undisputed and the idea of war is to kill the enemy and destroy his ability to resist.  Nasty business.  America began dropping ordinance of many kinds in these countries after we were attacked and lost 3 thousand citizens.  I would submit that no DU at all would be an issue in the region if the people of that region did not through their ignorance, hatred or plain bias, allow animals to train there and prepare the shock that drove America to war after 9-11.  The radiation poison they should be worried about is the kind that accompanies a mushroom cloud because if they continue on the path they have chosen we may all have a chance to see new footage of just such an event sooner than any of us would dream.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 02:07 PM

View Postand then, on 27 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

So are we to expect mass cancer deaths, sterilization and infertility over all of SW Asia?  The efficacy of DU in weapons is undisputed and the idea of war is to kill the enemy and destroy his ability to resist.  Nasty business.  America began dropping ordinance of many kinds in these countries after we were attacked and lost 3 thousand citizens.  I would submit that no DU at all would be an issue in the region if the people of that region did not through their ignorance, hatred or plain bias, allow animals to train there and prepare the shock that drove America to war after 9-11.  The radiation poison they should be worried about is the kind that accompanies a mushroom cloud because if they continue on the path they have chosen we may all have a chance to see new footage of just such an event sooner than any of us would dream.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:32 PM

Dr. Shrivastava seems to be GREATLY exaggerating the impact of airborne DU exposure.

According to the World Health Organization, the impact of DU exposure is generally limited to within a few meters of the impact zone.  And while a large scale battle may enhance this area, the idea that this stuff travels on the wind ala Fukishima doesn't seem to have much merit.

http://www.who.int/m...heets/fs257/en/

Do you have another source that's not a conspiracy website?

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:20 AM

The entire reason DU is used in the first place is because it is such a dense material.  Even in gaseous form, it is going to precipitate pretty quickly.  The actual explosion might blow it around the combat area, but it isn't going to be picked up by the wind and get distributed around the world.

When you talk about the dangers of DU, it is easiest to think that you are talking about the dangers of lead poisoning.  The toxicity is about the same, the density is close enough, the level of danger is about equal, particularly when you think of it in weapon form; in the case of both lead and DU ammunition exploding in your general vicinity, breathing in the vapors are hardly your immediate concern.


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 07:42 AM

View PostKarlis, on 27 March 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

... Yep; it's good and pleasant when brothers dwell in unity. :tu:
And I espouse that because one day it WILL happen.  I guess the implication is that because I tip my hat to the concept of brotherhood in the world I make myself somehow more responsible to see it accomplished than say, someone who just points the finger of blame at one side with no acknowledgement of the universality of evil in this world.  
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 02:07 PM

View Postaquatus1, on 28 March 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

The entire reason DU is used in the first place is because it is such a dense material.  Even in gaseous form, it is going to precipitate pretty quickly.  The actual explosion might blow it around the combat area, but it isn't going to be picked up by the wind and get distributed around the world.

When you talk about the dangers of DU, it is easiest to think that you are talking about the dangers of lead poisoning.  The toxicity is about the same, the density is close enough, the level of danger is about equal, particularly when you think of it in weapon form; in the case of both lead and DU ammunition exploding in your general vicinity, breathing in the vapors are hardly your immediate concern.


Well said.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:58 PM

DU advantage is anti-armor.  That is the specific mission for the round.

Given than those goat herders and camel jockeys don't have any armor to penetrate, why use the stuff when our guys end up being exposed to it.

This same controvery arose when Bush was Prez.  It seems to me that a C-in-C who actually gives a damn about the troops would order that the stuff be used ONLY against armor targets.

Whether from DU or other sources of contamination, the rates of various cancers amongst Iraqi infants and children is almost off the scale.

To me, indiscriminate use of the stuff is a war crime.


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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 March 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

DU advantage is anti-armor.  That is the specific mission for the round.

Given than those goat herders and camel jockeys don't have any armor to penetrate, why use the stuff when our guys end up being exposed to it.

This same controvery arose when Bush was Prez.  It seems to me that a C-in-C who actually gives a damn about the troops would order that the stuff be used ONLY against armor targets.

Whether from DU or other sources of contamination, the rates of various cancers amongst Iraqi infants and children is almost off the scale.

To me, indiscriminate use of the stuff is a war crime.

Your position is not supported by science.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 06:06 PM

View Postand then, on 27 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

So are we to expect mass cancer deaths, sterilization and infertility over all of SW Asia?  The efficacy of DU in weapons is undisputed and the idea of war is to kill the enemy and destroy his ability to resist.  Nasty business.  America began dropping ordinance of many kinds in these countries after we were attacked and lost 3 thousand citizens.  I would submit that no DU at all would be an issue in the region if the people of that region did not through their ignorance, hatred or plain bias, allow animals to train there and prepare the shock that drove America to war after 9-11.  The radiation poison they should be worried about is the kind that accompanies a mushroom cloud because if they continue on the path they have chosen we may all have a chance to see new footage of just such an event sooner than any of us would dream.

Did you read the whole post? other countries are being affected as well.
Besides war or not, throwing more dangerous bombs is probably not the right solution.

Edited by The Lone Ranger, 31 March 2012 - 06:09 PM.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 01:47 PM

View PostRafterman, on 30 March 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Your position is not supported by science.

What position is that?

Could you be more specific?


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Posted 01 April 2012 - 02:29 PM

View PostKarlis, on 27 March 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Depleted Uranium or DU encased bombs that have been used since 1991 by US and NATO forces  knowing well that the use of DU weapons is illegal being weapons of mass destruction [WMD] and amounts to War Crimes. These weapons were used in Gulf War 1 against Iraq, then in the Balkans and later, after 9/11  events, in Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa, Libya and now being used in Drone bombings in Pakistan.

Uranium has nothing depleted about it: when this potent hard metal hits a solid surface like concrete or a battle tank, the temperature at the point of impact reaches over 40000C and turns the projectile into uranium oxide gas. These gases are picked up by the wind and carried all over the world creating vast areas of secondary contamination. Based on the population within the contamination map over 35% of  India's population received a heavy dosing of DU aerosolized uranium nano particles within months of the start of Afghan and Iraq wars.

Uranium is a very hard metal which is why the military tips its rounds with it.

Many people seem to be confused over what depleted uranium is - http://en.wikipedia....epleted_uranium - it isnt radioactive. When uranium is mined out of the ground the radioactive isotopes are removed. The waste metal that is disgarded is called depleted uranium. The seperated isotopes go to the refinement facility to make nuclear fuel rods.

Uranium is a poisonous metal that will cause sickness but there is nothing radioactive about depleted uranium. If it becomes hot as a weapon is used it doesnt release radiation as there were no radioactive particles in it to begin with.

Depleted uranium is not a WMD and does not cause radiation sickness. The site you are getting your information from is factually incorrect.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 12:46 AM

Hey, Mr. Right Wing, try to read your own Wikipedia link next time.

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the US Defense Department states DU used in US munitions has 60% the radioactivity of natural uranium.

That was like 2 paragraphs down. Take your time reading the rest of it before you start spouting factually incorrect information. Peace.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:14 PM

View Postsocrates.junior, on 02 April 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

Hey, Mr. Right Wing, try to read your own Wikipedia link next time.



That was like 2 paragraphs down. Take your time reading the rest of it before you start spouting factually incorrect information. Peace.

So basically it's 60% of the natural radiation that's around us 24 hours a day.

How is that dangerous exactly?  Feel free to reference the WHO study I posted above.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:22 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 01 April 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

What position is that?

Could you be more specific?

You made the claim.  You back it up.

I'd be interested to see the evidence that DU residue can be linked to the rise in cancers among Iraqi children.

Here's a little article to help you:

http://uk.reuters.co...E5B01I320091201

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