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Marine Sgt. Gary Stein faces discharge


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#16    Dredimus

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

View PostCassea, on 06 April 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

When you join the military you are the property of the military and all civilian rights go out the window.   In fact if you were to kill a member of the military as a civilian you would charged with damaging military property as well.  So this guy knows this, he's an idiot and deserves to be discharged.

   So you are saying this guy deserves to have his entire life ruined over this?


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:20 PM

View PostDredimus, on 06 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

So you are saying this guy deserves to have his entire life ruined over this?
From what I can see, he kind of pushed the envelope, and went beyond just being a guy on facebook, that happened to be in the military, that was interested in politics and expressed an opinion. There is a difference between stating he wouldn't obey an un-lawful order from a president, and basically calling out Obama, as well as his affiliation with political parties not just as a citizen, but as a military member.

Slippery slope kind of stuff.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:53 PM

View Posteqgumby, on 06 April 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

From what I can see, he kind of pushed the envelope, and went beyond just being a guy on facebook, that happened to be in the military, that was interested in politics and expressed an opinion. There is a difference between stating he wouldn't obey an un-lawful order from a president, and basically calling out Obama, as well as his affiliation with political parties not just as a citizen, but as a military member.

Slippery slope kind of stuff.


  Never mind that he is still a citizen of the united states... that has fought for the united states... we can leave that aside... but you think he should have his whole life destroyed over his expressed opinions? A Dishonorable Discharge is no joke... he will never be able to work in a field that requires a security clearance... and most employers see that on your DD-214 and its an automatic No Hire.


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:19 PM

I can't agree to his punishment, but if he had brains he wouldn't be in this predicament. The President, whether he like its or not, is the highest
Military authority. He is the Commander in Chief.


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:25 PM

View PostDredimus, on 06 April 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

We in the military do not serve the president... we serve our country.

Oh, so your country didn't vote him into office? Interesting.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:46 PM

View PostEldorado, on 06 April 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Saying you hate your boss in public gets you fired!

And?

I actually know someone who got fired for saying bad things about the university they worked at on facebook.  I agreed with some of what they were saying, but come on, you have a PhD and don't know enough to not post crap like that on facebook.


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:48 PM

View PostDredimus, on 06 April 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Never mind that he is still a citizen of the united states... that has fought for the united states... we can leave that aside... but you think he should have his whole life destroyed over his expressed opinions? A Dishonorable Discharge is no joke... he will never be able to work in a field that requires a security clearance... and most employers see that on your DD-214 and its an automatic No Hire.

Sometimes being an idiot costs more than you think.  The civilian I know that had a similar thing happen to her used to have a tenured position at a decent university and now teaches adjunct at community college.


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:58 PM

especially in today's navy where they are booting people left and right, its extremely important to know who you can trust if you want to discuss politics. Its easier just to go about it in a more....incognito way. This is my background on my work desk for instance.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 05:56 PM

View PostDredimus, on 06 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

So you are saying this guy deserves to have his entire life ruined over this?


When it comes to blatant stupidity I have no problem with someone's life being ruined.  What did he think was going to happen?  All in the news there have been stories of people getting called on what they posted on their facebook page.  The military oath is

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 06:36 PM

Great story!  Kinda like Oath Keepers.  :yes:

It's good to see the citizen stand up to the govt.  As a soldier he did not have to accept an illegal order, as it were.

But it goes to show the Obama Unitary Executive prowess!

He serves the same people Bush did, is my bet.  :P


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:11 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 06 April 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Which means that there is already a discipline problem.


Agreed. This government has no discipline what so ever. Its sad that people in our armed forces even have to have these conversations. Many of them are very concerned about the unconstitutional over reach of power.

Its funny that there are folks who think this guy did something that deserves punnishment. And at the same time defend a government who is constantly passing/and or trying to pass legislation that directly violates the highest laws of the land. Many would rather kill the messanger (so to speak) then to confront the real criminals. Why do people feel the law should be applied to everyone and anyone, accept for the people who create and enforce them?

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:19 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 07 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Great story!  Kinda like Oath Keepers.  :yes:

It's good to see the citizen stand up to the govt.  As a soldier he did not have to accept an illegal order, as it were.

But it goes to show the Obama Unitary Executive prowess!

He serves the same people Bush did, is my bet.  :P


Well said.

There is no question 0bama serves the same people Bush did. Just look at both of thier campaign donors. They are both sold out globalist scum. To bad people dont hold this government to the same standards as they do little guys like this soldier. Who didnt even really break any laws at all.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:28 PM

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:30 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 08 April 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

Agreed. This government has no discipline what so ever. Its sad that people in our armed forces even have to have these conversations. Many of them are very concerned about the unconstitutional over reach of power.

Its funny that there are folks who think this guy did something that deserves punnishment. And at the same time defend a government who is constantly passing/and or trying to pass legislation that directly violates the highest laws of the land. Many would rather kill the messanger (so to speak) then to confront the real criminals. Why do people feel the law should be applied to everyone and anyone, accept for the people who create and enforce them?

You never were in a situation where you had to keep people functioning come hell or high water without squabbling, have you? Else you would know exactly what I mean by "discipline problem".

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:54 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 08 April 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

You never were in a situation where you had to keep people functioning come hell or high water without squabbling, have you? Else you would know exactly what I mean by "discipline problem".


Keep people functioning?? THEY are the law breakers.

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