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#1    Ove

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 02:56 PM

"I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore." ~ Genesis 22:17

Now, how does this 6th or 5th century BC writer know that the stars are as numerous as the sand on the seashore ?

How many stars could be seen in the 6th or 5th century BC night sky ?

Why does he compare the sand on the seashore with the stars in the night sky ?

Today we know that there are as many stars in space as there are sand on the seashore.

How did he know ?

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:19 PM

View PostOve, on 08 April 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

"I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore." ~ Genesis 22:17

Now, how does this 6th or 5th century BC writer know that the stars are as numerous as the sand on the seashore ?

How many stars could be seen in the 6th or 5th century BC night sky ?

Why does he compare the sand on the seashore with the stars in the night sky ?

Today we know that there are as many stars in space as there are sand on the seashore.

How did he know ?


The answer is simple: the writer didn't know, but s/he had eyes in his/her head.

Just look up to the skies during a moonless night in some forest or desert, far away from city lights, and you will know why/she said what s/he said.

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Edited by Abramelin, 08 April 2012 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:21 PM

Since the speaker of those words was God Himself, He would know since He created them all.  But I think the accepted meaning of that phrase is just a Hebraism to indicate a number too great to count.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:30 PM

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How did he know ?

You live in a city, don't you?

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

View Postand then, on 08 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Since the speaker of those words was God Himself, He would know since He created them all.  But I think the accepted meaning of that phrase is just a Hebraism to indicate a number too great to count.

It was a human being who wrote it all down.

It's nothing but faith that tells us s/he was inspired by a god.

If you are willing to believe that, then believe me when I say I am inspired by a god while posting here, lol.

The name of that god: "Allah Gho Holla".

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:27 PM

View PostOve, on 08 April 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

"I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore." ~ Genesis 22:17

Now, how does this 6th or 5th century BC writer know that the stars are as numerous as the sand on the seashore ?

How many stars could be seen in the 6th or 5th century BC night sky ?

Why does he compare the sand on the seashore with the stars in the night sky ?

Today we know that there are as many stars in space as there are sand on the seashore.

How did he know ?

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The same way he knew dust had DNA in it.

Gen_2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It was the Almighty talking to Abraham.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:41 PM

View PostRealm, on 08 April 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

The same way he knew dust had DNA in it.

Gen_2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It was the Almighty talking to Abraham.

It was "Allah Gho Holla", I tell ya, the most inspiring god of all gods.

Maybe assisted by "Amanita Muscaria", another great god.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:18 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 April 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

The answer is simple: the writer didn't know, but s/he had eyes in his/her head.

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lol you said it.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:44 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 April 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

The answer is simple: the writer didn't know, but s/he had eyes in his/her head.

Just look up to the skies during a moonless night in some forest or desert, far away from city lights, and you will know why/she said what s/he said.
???

There are about 2500 stars visible to the naked eye at any one point at any one time on the Earth.

There is more than 2500 grains of sand on the seashore !

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

View PostOve, on 08 April 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

???

There are about 2500 stars visible to the naked eye at any one point at any one time on the Earth.

There is more than 2500 grains of sand on the seashore !

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I think it's just simple observation - there is lots and lots of stars comparable to lots and lots of grains of sand...nothing too mysterious and I'm pretty sure they would have realised this comparison it in the 5th century BC.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:04 PM

View PostOve, on 08 April 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

???

There are about 2500 stars visible to the naked eye at any one point at any one time on the Earth.

There is more than 2500 grains of sand on the seashore !

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So whats your point??

S/He could have used some proverb about ants.

We all know ants are more numerous than us humans, and they knew it back then.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:13 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 08 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

I think it's just simple observation - there is lots and lots of stars comparable to lots and lots of grains of sand...nothing too mysterious and I'm pretty sure they would have realised this comparison it in the 5th century BC.
Or someone had the knowledge of the true number of stars in space ?

Stars visible to the naked eye and grains of sand visible on the seashore, are absolutely not comparable.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:15 PM

View PostOve, on 08 April 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Or someone had the knowledge of the true number of stars in space ?

Stars visible to the naked eye and grains of sand visible on the seashore, are absolutely not comparable.
  
Right... last time you counted the stars was?
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Edited by ShadowSot, 08 April 2012 - 06:15 PM.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:18 PM

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Anyone can take any text and say it was written by 'god'. These observation you quoted is an obvious one...............nothing biblical about it. Here's another, the stars are as numerous as the fish in the oceans............is that a 'god' written observation or just an obvious observation based on common scense?



But if it makes you feel better you can believe only 'god' has that kind of insight. Us mortals can't possibly have the ability to figure such things out on our own unless it's written in some 'holy' book.  :huh:

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:47 PM

The question was a biblical one, and a scientific one relatively. Two of us just answered with no mal intent. It was you and a few others that came back with ridicule.

But consider this:

The ultra deep field photo shows 10,000 galaxies in one picture.
That was estimated to be around 1/200 millionth of the sky photographed.
and galaxies contain anywhere from 10,000,000 stars to 100,000,000,000,000 stars.

So, 10,000 x 200,000,000 x even the smallest 10,000,000 star galaxies = 20,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars.
About like the sand on the seashores I'd say. Even more than the fish in the ocean.





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