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#31    AlienDan

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:51 AM

View Postkeenu, on 09 April 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

I find it hilarious that people are so closed minded as to blindly yell fake! thinking that they are so clever. The clever ones have open minds and consider that there is absolutely no reason this type of thing should automatically be considered fake. Consider the multitude of sightings. Do you REALLY think that all these people out there have so much time and talent as to fake all these videos? It's like the crop circle issue. Sure, two men did all those crop circles...and still are...all over the world.

View PostBildr, on 09 April 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Whether you believe in UFO or not, the problem is that people tend to always live in their delusional state. It always based on assumptions. People always tend to base their believes on assumptions. What happened to actual investigation? Same thing for Crop circles. Always assumptions, whether it is true 'alien' doing or man made... People always tend to chose one side and do ALLL THEY CAN to disprove the other side.

Like i said what happened to actual investigation? IT'S A UFO people. U stand for UNIDENTIFIED. So could be alien, could be man made, could be an optical illusion...Could be anything. but whiteout investigation no one should lay a single assumptions since no one did any research.Until then all is only opinions. Not fact.

Agree that to many people jump to conclusions/assumption and don't analyze things. But people can also be delusional, and closed minded to logical explanations. And majority does not = validity. So multitude of "sightings" and videos, doesn't mean they're all real real or alien. Of course some are real, and tons of real witness cases, but through research and my own experience in professional photo/videography, and experience in making UFO hoaxes, I've come to find the majority of videos are either hoaxes, or are explainable. There are several billion people on this planet, steven speilberg isnt the only one who can make special FX. It doesnt take much talent to make these fakes. Almost all the hoaxes are made by amateurs using basic techniques, and after watching all of this guys videos: http://www.youtube.c...ngHoaxer/videos you will question every video you see again. Being open minded is step one, but being unbiased and knowledgable in many areas that can be applies to UFO research is step 2. To many acclaimed "UFO researchers" are desulsional and believe almost everything is real, and also lack knowledge in other fields (photography, video editing) so they can only apply what they know. It takes views from every single angle to form a solid conclusion. Also this guy has been coming out with good stuff: http://www.youtube.c...XKiller1/videos

And on crop circles (since you mentioned them, it's one of my most studied subject), I also started out believing they where all made by aliens, I've researched them for 8 years (both online, in books, and IN FIELD with other researchers and actual hoaxers (actually artists). Then I met circle makers, and studied their methods, and compared their circles to believed "genuine" ones, and there's absolutely no difference. Then I looked at other supposed evidence such as radiation, magnatism, bent/blown stems/nodes, circles apearing instantly, ufos filmed over circles, all of it... and found explanations for everything. Now without any other evidence of them being made by aliens, I've recently concluded they are all (or at least 99%) man made.

As for the video. You can't tell either way. There's no obvious evidence that it's fake. The guy also has several other videos on his channel, if they're all his, then I'd be inclined to think they're fake, but if they're other peoples ( i think they're supposed to be) then maybe they're real (needs sources). Objects, and lighting look right. The only giveway would be if someone can find any motion detection errors. I would say most likely real. (likely, because you can't be 100% sure) until further research.

Edited by AlienDan, 10 April 2012 - 04:10 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:00 AM

Hi English Gent,so you are still around...Well the day I see a good clear picture..Yeah that'll be the day.. Until then aliens on our planet is....PIE IN THE SKY..Angiolo the Italian Gent


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:39 AM

View PostDingoLingo, on 09 April 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

have yet to see any actual proof that god exsists .. *shrugs*

I'm a nay to this one.. it does have the whole fake look about it.. everything seems too perfect about it..
     Why bring this mysterious entity called "God" into the page where U.F.O.'s are being discussed ??? How about finding the God page and quoting your stuff there,or maybe there is too much competion...!

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:43 AM

Ref my Yea or Nay post I reckon the Nays are winning, come on you Yea's start writing....ha ha .Its not half time and you are about 7-2 down

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:54 AM

Fail safe pane vent?

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I think a very possible explanation. Looks much more likely something on the window than something moving freely outside it. Thoughts?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostTimonthy, on 10 April 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Fail safe pane vent?


I think a very possible explanation. Looks much more likely something on the window than something moving freely outside it. Thoughts?

would the Zoom not have shown this to be the case if it was?


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:15 AM

View Postquillius, on 10 April 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

would the Zoom not have shown this to be the case if it was?
The zoom was digital or post production so it didn't enhance the picture. Also this supports the idea that the person wasn't even filming the 'object' and can easily account for its movements relative to the camera.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:20 AM

Looks like the shadows on the ground corresponds with the shadow on the ufo. The only problem I have with this is that the person filming didn't even notice or try to follow the object. Makes you think kt was edited.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:22 AM

That is from North Korea.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:25 AM

They were looking at those buildings, maybe looking at the centre of the city.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:28 AM

View PostTimonthy, on 10 April 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

The zoom was digital or post production so it didn't enhance the picture. Also this supports the idea that the person wasn't even filming the 'object' and can easily account for its movements relative to the camera.

curious as to why you think it may have been post production?

maybe I need to watch it again as I am sure he zooms whilst filming?!?!


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:36 AM

Well 2 out of 7. I feel sad about the mentality of the two believers.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:38 AM

View Postangi chiesa, on 10 April 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

Well 2 out of 7. I feel sad about the mentality of the two believers.


hmm going back over thread I couldnt find two? who are they?


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:07 AM

View PostPaxus, on 09 April 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

WHY are you pretty sure about that?
I don't see any evidence either way.
Hey Paxus.

Because IMHO the zoom/pan clearly looks artificial. Just from my own experience using the features in video editing software.

To me it looks like they took the stock footage and zoomed in and panned to give the object the illusion of movement.

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View Postquillius, on 10 April 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

curious as to why you think it may have been post production?

maybe I need to watch it again as I am sure he zooms whilst filming?!?!
Hey quillius.

Yes it zooms while he is filming, but IMHO the original footage would have been a video of the original quality (eg. with the original field of view from the start of the video) then the zoom and pan were edited in afterwards for effect.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:20 AM

View PostTimonthy, on 10 April 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Hey Paxus.

Because IMHO the zoom/pan clearly looks artificial. Just from my own experience using the features in video editing software.

To me it looks like they took the stock footage and zoomed in and panned to give the object the illusion of movement.

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Hey quillius.

Yes it zooms while he is filming, but IMHO the original footage would have been a video of the original quality (eg. with the original field of view from the start of the video) then the zoom and pan were edited in afterwards for effect.

Thanks for explanation Timonthy. Not 100% I understand completely but its not an area of expertise for me by a long shot, so probably best for me just to keep following the thread from the sidelines.

There apparently doesnt seem to be anything reported in the Korean media....strange.





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