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#16    MysteryX

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:01 AM

View PostCzero 101, on 11 April 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Did you notice that I was replying to BooNy's post...?

Yes, BooNy said 'nuff when he told me that he was watching Firefly and that had inspired his post.

At that point, I knew what he meant, and while I didn't know exactly WHAT he said, it didn't matter because I knew 'nuff to catch the reference and the relevance.

So yes, for me, that was 'nuff.

As for your simpleminded conspiracy crap, I think I said 'nuff about it when I said it wasn't worth commenting on, Mr. Alien Embryo...

Oh, and by the way, just to spare you some confusion later... BooNy isn't really an Omnipotent Entity (no offense, BooNy  :blush: )... that's just the automatically generated title his post count has earned.


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Gee be quiet already, you have bored me with your apathy. I could careless who you responded to. You are spineless self server of yourself, your reality is the game you play on yourself. If you got something to say disproving the molten steel coming out of the tower then say it or get the hell out of this conversation. The proof is clear 9/11 was not a conspiracy but cold blooded murder.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:06 AM

Good to see the old principle of "if someone isn't convinced the first time by the YouTube video you've presented, resort to the vague and not altogether coherent insults" is alive and well.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:08 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 11 April 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Educate us.  How do you know the composition of the molten material that flowed out of that hole in the tower?

Well think about that for a moment for yourself. There is only one material in the entire tower that will flow with orange hue glow. You don't need a building material list from the enginners for that. Why. because it is simple there was only one material that could melt that way in the tower, only steel. That's the problem with many of you, you are always looking for some complicated answer that explains this simple fact away.

Only molten steel.

Edited by MysteryX, 11 April 2012 - 07:15 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:57 AM

I was told there was an oxygen bandit here; has anyone.... oh. Never mind.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:02 AM

View PostMysteryX, on 11 April 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

Well think about that for a moment for yourself. There is only one material in the entire tower that will flow with orange hue glow. You don't need a building material list from the enginners for that. Why. because it is simple there was only one material that could melt that way in the tower, only steel. That's the problem with many of you, you are always looking for some complicated answer that explains this simple fact away.

Only molten steel.
There is one other explanation which I favour… that the molten flow is not from the building materials but a product of the thermite reaction itself, i.e. molten iron.  I say this because there was not any particular external steel column at location of the flow that needed to be cut.  It was the core columns that needed to fail and I suggest the thermite charge which caused the flow was dislodged by the plane impact from a central location in the building.

Anyhow, as experiments have proven, it is certainly not aluminium, lead or any other metal with a lower melting point.

The sporadic flow is unnatural also - the bursts ejected at intervals – with the initial flow beginning only in the minutes prior collapse.

What we are seeing is a thermite charge used to bring the building down.

Whilst that is the obvious and fitting answer by all observation and experimentation, Official Conspiracy Theorists will imagine any alternative scenario no matter how impossible to hold onto their pre-set worldview.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:14 AM

View PostMysteryX, on 11 April 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

Gee be quiet already, you have bored me with your apathy. I could careless who you responded to. You are spineless self server of yourself, your reality is the game you play on yourself. If you got something to say disproving the molten steel coming out of the tower then say it or get the hell out of this conversation. The proof is clear 9/11 was not a conspiracy but cold blooded murder.

Oh, I'm sorry, Saru, I didn't know you'd changed your board name.  :ph34r:

Hey, waitasec... You're not Saru... :no:

So that means that YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE WHO CAN OR CANNOT POST ON THIS BOARD OR WHAT I / WE CAN SAY PROVIDED IT IS WITHIN THE RULES.

As for your juvenile conspiracy garbage, perhaps you should have gotten caught up to speed on the other myriad threads here about 9/11 before you spewed out your biased and hopelessly misinformed, and apparently willfully ignorant prattle.

You might have actually learned something beyond how to post YouTube videos and how to recite the mantra you've convinced yourself is "The Truth©®™".




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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:38 AM

View PostCzero 101, on 11 April 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

So that means that YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE WHO CAN OR CANNOT POST ON THIS BOARD OR WHAT I / WE CAN SAY PROVIDED IT IS WITHIN THE RULES.
To be fair you have now kinda spammed the thread with six posts, none of which discuss evidence in the video.  MysteryX has attempted to discuss the evidence.  The closest you have come is to label it “conspiracy crap”, “conspiracy theorist claptrap” and “juvenile conspiracy garbage” with no explanation.  This ain’t JREF (thank God).  Perhaps you can see why MysteryX might be frustrated and request you discuss the evidence or “get the hell out”?

You know I don’t support the full content of the video in post #1 but the points MysteryX has raised about the WTC2 molten metal flow are correct.  Do you have any response to that?

Hey MysteryX, keep cool, the OCTs don’t have anywhere to run on this one   ;)

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:52 AM

MysteryX, please take some time to review the UM rules.

Most specifically this one:

3f. Abusive behaviour: Do not be rude, insulting, offensive, snide, obnoxious or abusive towards other members.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:05 AM

I once believed in the conspiracy around this issue. The more BS theories I hear, I believe less.

The rantings of the believers do more harm to their cause.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:05 PM

I was 12. So what? Does that mean all the people over 15 in 2001 are not allowed to watch the vid?  :sleepy:

Bored.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:51 PM

View PostMysteryX, on 11 April 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

Gee be quiet already, you have bored me with your apathy. I could careless who you responded to. You are spineless self server of yourself, your reality is the game you play on yourself. If you got something to say disproving the molten steel coming out of the tower then say it or get the hell out of this conversation. The proof is clear 9/11 was not a conspiracy but cold blooded murder.

Well you've said at least on factual thing in this thread.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:12 PM

Outstanding analysis!

As has been the case from the start, the Europeans are way ahead of the US in understanding what DID NOT happen that day.  So too the Japanese Diet and elements of the Russian press.

Thanks very much for the video MysteryX.  I had seen some parts, but not others.

That so many americans cling to the sophistry that is the Official Conspiracy Theory is testimony to the effectiveness of the government's skill at manipulating the public perception.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

View PostQ24, on 11 April 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

What we are seeing is a thermite charge used to bring the building down.
Couple of problems with that idea.  The colour corresponds to a much lower temperature than thermite and, with no indication that the flow is cutting downwards through any part of the building structure, it is rather ineffective for thermite.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

View PostCzero 101, on 11 April 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Oh, and by the way, just to spare you some confusion later... BooNy isn't really an Omnipotent Entity (no offense, BooNy  :blush: )... that's just the automatically generated title his post count has earned.





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View PostMysteryX, on 11 April 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

Well think about that for a moment for yourself. There is only one material in the entire tower that will flow with orange hue glow. You don't need a building material list from the enginners for that. Why. because it is simple there was only one material that could melt that way in the tower, only steel. That's the problem with many of you, you are always looking for some complicated answer that explains this simple fact away.

Only molten steel.
So essentially you are assuming that it was molten steel, because you can't think of a different material which could fit.  That's alright by the way.  We are all allowed to make assumptions.  I'm not saying that your assumption is correct or incorrect, but it may be wise to recognize that until the actual facts of a thing have been established irrefutably, assumptions can fall on either side.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 02:57 PM

Boo

You guys have not yet made the case that it is anything OTHER THAN steel.  It has taken months just to see you admit that it even existed.

Have you guys no measure of common sense at all?  :wacko:

What other metals, in sufficient quantity, were present to account for that?  Remember, we all know that aluminum melts quickly and then solidifies quickly.

The presence of sulfur and barium are huge clues as to thermate.

Frankly, I think it is quite plausible that tactical nuclear devices were employed too.





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