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[Babe Ruth]

BINGO!  

What you just said is what quite a few people say.  That is a very big motivating factor for many folks I've talked to about it.

[mrbusdriver]

Babe Ruth, on 14 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

Bus

Within moments of his leaving the field, the local coroner stated that they had seen nothing of any passenger remains, or even of an airplane. Overhead video confirmed the coroner's statement.

Days later he recanted his story.

You tell me, for somebody who was not there personally, which way are you going to go?

Regarding use of the term 'vaporize', you are correct that nobody said that word.  What they are doing is SUGGESTING that it must have been vaporized, because it was invisble to humans on the ground, and to cameras overhead.  

The video is of such poor quality that it's impossible to tell, and they get artistic and shrink the frames within seconds. This artistic editing is annoying. I can't see anything either, but that doesn't mean anything. Again, all the other crash pictures shown cannot be accuratly compared to the near-vertical, high speed impact conditions of UAL93. It would be curious had there been large parts of the plane relatively intact in the area. Small pieces, some scattered about, some thrown significant distances, many buried.

Meanwhile, the coroner had clarified his story. Never in a million years would he imagine the brief comments he initially gave would be so twisted and misinterpreted. He's rightfully ticked off that folks would do this. With the amount of devastation, there were no "bodies" around...just parts...small parts. He was initially looking for remains, not small fragments. The crew didn't know it was a vertical high speed crash, they were just going to a plane crash...this one was not like what they were expecting (like all the other plane crash photos). That there was, in their impressions, "no plane" seems a reasonable reaction. No recognizable plane parts...wings, tail, engines. Just a crater with bits and pieces around.

What about the Shanksville pictures from the UAL77 thread?

[Sky Scanner]

747400, on 14 April 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

I do think that with regard to this bit, it does matter very much, since (whoever did it) it was literally the crime of the century so far. And if it was the U.S. Govt, or some elements of it, or some Intelligence service in which it had an involvement, then even more so than if it was just terrorists. So I do see why people would be so anxious to see that justice was done, I really do. And I do think there are some big questions that could be asked, from all sorts of angles; I just don't know why it must be necessary to contrive such an elaborate counter-theory, rather than just considering (say) that someone may have taken control of the flights, but that they may have been in the pay of or working in collusion with some other sinister elements (e.g foreign governments or intelligence services), rather than Al Qaeda.

I wasn't implying it doesn't matter who did it, if that's how it read then I worded it wrong. I mean it doesn't matter to me who did it...i.e I have no vested interest in any particular view being correct. You have to keep pointing that out on here because some people have to keep going back to the same tired excuse that if you question their logic then you are some blind government shill who sits in front of his TV everyday moronically taking in whatever it says - nothing could be further from the truth. But I guess that stance is expected when you're dealing with people's beliefs, and they have to label you as it's a 'movement ' that is running out of ideas when it comes to pushing it's beliefs on to others..:shrugs:

Edited by The Sky Scanner, 14 April 2012 - 06:46 PM.

[Babe Ruth]

Dis Pater

Thanks for that link--it shows that one can learn something new every day.  That the terrain looked the very same in 1994 is something I never knew.  Not surprised, just never knew it.

The events of the day were staged by pros with a military flair.  

[Babe Ruth]

Scanner

The most commonly used pictures of "what was at Shanksville" are pictures from the trial for Moussaoui.  They were pictures shown to a jury, and presented to have been pieces of 93.  Though everybody is swearing on bibles left & right, what's shown to a jury is not always accurate and true.

Especially in US courtrooms for the last several decades.

Yes, there are a few good men in the prosecutor core, but they are few and far between.

If those are the pictures you're talking about, then all I can say is that those pieces WERE NOT in that field that day.  Whether some forest fairy hid them up under a tree I don't know, but they were not in that field that day.

You might take advantage of the link provided a few posts back by Dis Pater.  Lotsa info there.  

[booNyzarC]

Babe Ruth, on 14 April 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Dis Pater

Thanks for that link--it shows that one can learn something new every day.  That the terrain looked the very same in 1994 is something I never knew.  Not surprised, just never knew it.

The events of the day were staged by pros with a military flair.  

I hope that you realize that the 1994 USGS picture doesn't line up with the impact crater.  They are not the same.

Well, I hope that others realize it anyway.  I don't hold much hope that you could be convinced of that, but others should.

[Sky Scanner]

Babe Ruth, on 14 April 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

If those are the pictures you're talking about, then all I can say is that those pieces WERE NOT in that field that day.  Whether some forest fairy hid them up under a tree I don't know, but they were not in that field that day.

You weren't in that field that day, so i'm not interested in what ever it is next you decide to make up in order to account for your beliefs. You need to address them to someone else.

[Babe Ruth]

Doesn't matter whether it lines up with it or not--the pile of circumstantial evidence is so high that we can throw off a few pieces.  The evidence works against the OCT, is the point.

[Babe Ruth]

No I wasn't there Scanner, but quite a few cameras were, including 3 overhead, where I'm used to sitting.  

[Sky Scanner]

Babe Ruth, on 14 April 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

No I wasn't there Scanner, but quite a few cameras were, including 3 overhead, where I'm used to sitting.  

Irrelevant, your not qualified to assess crash scenes. As I said, your stories don't interest me, i'm sure someone will be interested in hearing your tales, not me though.

[Dis Pater]

I will say that i was shocked to see the impact crater in the video.Im not saying i agree with all the conspiracy theories about 9/11 but it does look like debris is nowhere to be seen considering a modern airliner crashed.I know that pictures show debris later after excavations were made into the ground of the crash site but something should have at least been shown on the surface during the flyovers by news agencies after the crash occurred

[booNyzarC]

Dis Pater, on 14 April 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

I will say that i was shocked to see the impact crater in the video.Im not saying i agree with all the conspiracy theories about 9/11 but it does look like debris is nowhere to be seen considering a modern airliner crashed.I know that pictures show debris later after excavations were made into the ground of the crash site but something should have at least been shown on the surface during the flyovers by news agencies after the crash occurred

You might want to take a look at these.






There is more as well.  Look around hard enough on just about any of these 911 threads and you'll find images of the crash site, testimony of the people recovering debris, etc...

There is no doubt that 93 crashed in that field.

[Dis Pater]

booNyzarC, on 14 April 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

You might want to take a look at these.






There is more as well.  Look around hard enough on just about any of these 911 threads and you'll find images of the crash site, testimony of the people recovering debris, etc...

There is no doubt that 93 crashed in that field.

Yes im sure that more is available and i will keep a look out in general and on this thread till i have more to add.Im not showing allegiance to either side-just watching-but thank you for your links.

[booNyzarC]

Dis Pater, on 14 April 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Yes im sure that more is available and i will keep a look out in general and on this thread till i have more to add.Im not showing allegiance to either side-just watching-but thank you for your links.

You're welcome.  Hope I didn't come across as though I had any intention other than sharing information with you.  I wasn't trying to lump you into a conspiracy theorist mold, you appeared genuinely curious and had expressed some completely valid shock regarding the apparent lack of large debris.  I can relate to that shocked feeling because I remember when the first shots of that field played live on TV and I was in shock too.

Cheers.

[frenat]

MysteryX, on 14 April 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

To Mr. Government hack, I already broke you down. Three times I have asked you if you're a government hack, yet you will not deny it. As far as sticking around is concerned I have come and gone from this forum under many user names for 7 years. In 6 months if there has been no economic collaspe and no war that shuts down the internet then I will be back to post for the new readers here. By the time I come back I will have posted at 40 other forums, created 10 more blogs maybe a few new videos. Then after my vacation I will come back here again and post for the new posters and readers. If I stayed here listening to you for 8 months then I would have wasted 8 months of my time to be productive talking with other readers on all the other media formats and forums.


I'll be sure to say hi to all your gov. hack friends on all the other forums for you when I visit the other forums.

By the way don't forget to tell them this:

In 8 months which is December 2012 two months before that earthquakes and volcanic activity will destroy every underground bunker created by the governments of the entire world. Why to make sure they cannot cull the herd as planned? When North Korea launches a nuclear attack whenver that is going to occur their will be a giant solar flare that will destroy all satillites and most nuclear war making capabity of the entire world, not to mention just about everything else using electronics. How will this be accomplished, well you will have to click my signature link and then watch the other videos and then follow the other links on the channel page to learn more.

Every plan of the new world order will be destroyed. They will try to regroup but it will just end up being according to the original plan by the one who originally foretold it. Then the end of stupidity will finally come. All bad things have to end someday, that someday is less than 10 years away and some really bad days for the NWO are just months away. Can we spell backfired boys and girls.

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What paranoid theory will you switch to when the above doesn't happen?