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Did Adam and Eve really exist?


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#1    danbell06

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:27 PM

Just saw this on another forum and thought i'd share.

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In comments that may shock some staunch Catholics, Cardinal George Pell has described the biblical story of Adam and Eve as a myth.

He appeared alongside renowned evolutionary biologist and atheist, Professor Richard Dawkins, on the ABC's Q&A program last night.



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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:36 PM

I'm not sure why they'd be shocked, I thought it was widely known the Church accepts evolution? Evolution isn't compatible with the literal story of Adam and Eve.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:05 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 11 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

I'm not sure why they'd be shocked, I thought it was widely known the Church accepts evolution? Evolution isn't compatible with the literal story of Adam and Eve.
If Adam and Eve were real, then explain why every painting of them has a bellybutton.  :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:23 PM

View Postdanbell06, on 11 April 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Just saw this on another forum and thought i'd share.

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I was raised to believe that old and new testament alike are the word of God. But we do not take all passages as literal. Catholics for the most part are open to myth as it describes religious truths.
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:30 PM

Our Bible Study group had a week off this week and tonight we went out for dinner instead of our regular study.  My co-leader mentioned this debate during our first course.  I hadn't heard anything about it or what it was even about, but my initial thoughts were that George Pell was totally out of his league debating Dawkins.  But I'm glad he has some sense in responding to this question.  I agree with him, and as a Christian am not surprised that many priests and theologians seem to agree that it is a story.  I wouldn't say it is entirely mythical, but it represents the pre-Hebrew oral history of this group of people, so while there may be some basis in actual events (oral tradition often is based on real events), it is impossible to label this with as full and total history but instead as a myth to explain evil in our world.  

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:56 AM

View PostBiffSplitkins, on 11 April 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

If Adam and Eve were real, then explain why every painting of them has a bellybutton.  :rolleyes:
They're not, if even if they were real the paintings were painted by people who never met them.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:19 AM

My most troubling thought about Adam & Eve is that it suggests that everyone afterwards were "inbred"
I was under the impression that close family inbreeding can cause severe mental issues, so it doesn't make sense to me.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:22 AM

View Postpallidin, on 12 April 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

My most troubling thought about Adam & Eve is that it suggests that everyone afterwards were "inbred"
I was under the impression that close family inbreeding can cause severe mental issues, so it doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 12:26 AM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 12 April 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Hey cousin :w00t:
Same thing would have happened to Noah and his 'immediate family'.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:05 AM

It's a valid point but I wonder where the great diversity of DNA came from?

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:21 AM

as far as i have studied quran and the word adam is used for the whole human kind and still muslims ignore it and cosider same what bible says about him

for me adam is whole human kind all were created at first we all did sin and we all were sent to give the test in this world one after another

otherwise if adam was only one man than god is unjust to  punish me because i have not sinned but adam did and all religions books says that father would not bear sins of the son and son would not bear sins of the father

so if adam was one man and he did mistake and was kicked out of heaven than  why am i here?

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:43 AM

Funny enough, that book also talks about cain and seth marrying women from other lands, which indicates the myth of adam and eve being the only created beings as false.  That would of course debunk the incest part of it, but then the mythical flood would put them back at square one of incest.  One should expect plot holes like that in such an old fantasy book.  Not like the original writers were literary geniuses.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 02:30 PM

View Postdanbell06, on 11 April 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Just saw this on another forum and thought i'd share.

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I never believed in Adam and Eve... To me  it was just a tall tale  to try and explain why humans are here  .... Anyone intelligent could not possibly beleive in the Adam and Eve tales now...  Just stories ..

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 04:20 PM

View Postand then, on 15 April 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

It's a valid point but I wonder where the great diversity of DNA came from?

There is no great diversity of DNA. There is a very small diversity, and most of it is superficial. Only a 0.1%  difference exists between all humans in existence.

If the genome were a book, every person's book would contain the same paragraphs and chapters, arranged in the same order. Each book would tell more or less the same story. But my book might contain a typo on page 303 that yours lacks, and your book might use a British spelling on page 135 "colour", where mine uses the American spelling, "color."

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 04:23 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 15 April 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

I never believed in Adam and Eve... To me  it was just a tall tale  to try and explain why humans are here  .... Anyone intelligent could not possibly beleive in the Adam and Eve tales now...  Just stories ..

Yet, even being stories, they tell a compelling truth, mankind is seperated from God by his own actions and ego.

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