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#1    glorybebe

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:39 PM

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A photo of a Muslim woman wearing full Islamic dress and holding up a bra as she sorts laundry is stirring controversy in Kamloops, B.C., and the Saudi Arabian Embassy is now involved.

The photo, taken by Thompson Rivers University fine arts student Sooraya Graham, features one of Graham's friends wearing a niqab, a veil covering the face, and abaya, a full-body cloak.

The picture was a class assignment and was originally displayed with other student photos, until some students complained and a staff member tore it down.


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Wow!  The Saudi Embassy is involved?  I'm sorry, where is this taking place?  In Canada?  

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Now, the Saudi Education Centre in Kamloops, which is funded by the Saudi Arabian government and provides support to Saudi students and their families, is taking issue with the photo.
Seriously?  :blink:



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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

The first comment nails it.

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To me the most offensive part of the story is not what the Saudi Education Centre thinks becasue we are in Canada and everyone has the right to say what they want. The most offensive part of the story is the staff member who tore the photograph down from the wall. This person should be fired. Graham is right her rights as an artist have been violated.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:46 PM

It's ok to behead them, or rape them, or beat them with a stick.

It's not OK to let them out of the house unescorted or photograph them holding undergarments.

Makes sense to me.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:18 PM

View PostOverSword, on 12 April 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

It's ok to behead them, or rape them, or beat them with a stick.

It's not OK to let them out of the house unescorted or photograph them holding undergarments.

Makes sense to me.

BUT a major issue for me is that this was taken for a class project in Canada-what makes them think they can get involved in this?  It's not their country.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:10 AM

View Postglorybebe, on 12 April 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

BUT a major issue for me is that this was taken for a class project in Canada-what makes them think they can get involved in this?  It's not their country.

I'm a bit confused over some of the reporting in the article. According to it, the protest/controversy came from a Saudi Education Centre, not the Saudi Embassy or the Saudi Government. The Centre is funded by the Saudi Govt, but that does not suggest the protest by them is as the Saudi Govts' insistence.

Or is the Centre a part of the Saudi Embassy in Canada?

As for the photo itself, I applaud it. It signifies to me the futility of the tradition of covering women, enforced in some Islamic societies. In making women 'different', through demanding they cover themselves, the Islamic authorities enforcing this tradition only draw to attention that which they wish to cover up. They actually make an issue of women's sexuality, which just serves to reinforce that sexuality.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:28 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 14 April 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

I'm a bit confused over some of the reporting in the article. According to it, the protest/controversy came from a Saudi Education Centre, not the Saudi Embassy or the Saudi Government. The Centre is funded by the Saudi Govt, but that does not suggest the protest by them is as the Saudi Govts' insistence.

Or is the Centre a part of the Saudi Embassy in Canada?

As for the photo itself, I applaud it. It signifies to me the futility of the tradition of covering women, enforced in some Islamic societies. In making women 'different', through demanding they cover themselves, the Islamic authorities enforcing this tradition only draw to attention that which they wish to cover up. They actually make an issue of women's sexuality, which just serves to reinforce that sexuality.


As far as I understand, it is a part of the Embassy as Kamloops is city in the interior of BC, which is quite a ways away form the emabassy.  This University has a lot of ESL students going to it, so there are a lot of countries who make sure they can offer support to the students studying outside of their own countries.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:42 PM

View PostParacelse, on 12 April 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

The first comment nails it.



The heck with Saudi government it's a school for pete'sake


Look at it this way: The Saudis themselves, particularly the ruling class, are not exactly popular people in this world.
Saudi princes funded the events of 9-11. Most of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudis. When someone shot at a Saudi diplomat in the USA, the US public simply didn't care, didn't feel protective of the Saudi.

The Saudi government is NOT a democracy. Yet our democracy-pushing country feels no inclination whatsoever to force it on the Saudis. Why do you suppose that is?

I support this art.It has long been known that many Muslim women dress in fancy lingerie for other woman, not for the men. Underneath, they are wearing things that please other women, not men. They have parties where they dress for each other. So the Saudi repressiveness is not shutting down alternative lifestyles. It is merely sending it underground, where it will grow and grow.
BTW, I roomed with a Muslim female once, then recently converted to Christianity, while in college. I know the stories they tell.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:29 AM

This is another Western misconception: that Muslim women are forced to cover up. In most cases they aren't, and cover up by choice. Generally speaking, Muslim women are at least as devout as Muslim men, usually more so. Both men and women are responsible for perpetuating the sexual repression.

As for lesbianism and wearing fancy underwear beneath a burqa, that is unlikely to be true in any Muslim group other than young women in countries where gender segregation is ruthlessly enforced, e.g. Saudi Arabia.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:38 AM

View PostParsip, on 15 April 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

This is another Western misconception: that Muslim women are forced to cover up. In most cases they aren't, and cover up by choice. Generally speaking, Muslim women are at least as devout as Muslim men, usually more so. Both men and women are responsible for perpetuating the sexual repression.

As for lesbianism and wearing fancy underwear beneath a burqa, that is unlikely to be true in any Muslim group other than young women in countries where gender segregation is ruthlessly enforced, e.g. Saudi Arabia.

How much of a choice is it when you have centuries of tradition, plus various authorities, encouraging the covering-up of women?

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:26 AM

View Postglorybebe, on 12 April 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

BUT a major issue for me is that this was taken for a class project in Canada-what makes them think they can get involved in this?  It's not their country.
They've killed people in other countries for cartoon and such,so this is just more or the same.
They have no leverage politically,but those people need to fear for their lives,from extremists,as those ppl are nuts.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:40 AM

Many times , when travelling between the UK and Thailand I have had a stop over in an Arab state. I find it funny that all the ladies board the plane completely covered up , as their custom/law in their country dictates. However, by the time we arrive in Bangkok or London there are a large number who have changed in the toilets and are now wearing jeans and T Shirts etc.  I agree with another poster here that some women follow the code of dress because they are happy to. There are many who are not happy, but have no choice. Therein lies the problem.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:39 AM


:unsure2:  :D

Edited by conspiracybeliever, 15 April 2012 - 11:40 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

View Postconspiracybeliever, on 15 April 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:


:unsure2:  :D

Granted he was a good boxer, but geez did he spout a lot of rubbish most of the time...

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 12:39 PM

I would understand if she was wearing the bra. The saying, mountain out of a mole hill, pops to mind.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:44 PM

They'll arrive in the twentieth century in about 500 years time.

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