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I realize there are many theories as to America's place in end time events.  Of those possibilities the closest fit seems to me to be a reference in Ezekiel 38 about Gog being burned with fire as well as "those that dwell carelessly in the Isles"  But there is never a real mention of America in the Bible.  For those who take the bible as the inspired word of God and a message from Him to us, I've often wondered how the most powerful nation on earth,EVER in history, could be completely ignored as though it never existed.

[Meiliken]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

I realize there are many theories as to America's place in end time events.  Of those possibilities the closest fit seems to me to be a reference in Ezekiel 38 about Gog being burned with fire as well as "those that dwell carelessly in the Isles"  But there is never a real mention of America in the Bible.  For those who take the bible as the inspired word of God and a message from Him to us, I've often wondered how the most powerful nation on earth,EVER in history, could be completely ignored as though it never existed.

Because America didn't exist when that book was written.

[FLOMBIE]

And it's debatable if the USA is the most powerful nation ever.

[Rlyeh]

What do you know, airplanes and cars aren't mentioned either!!

[The New Richard Nixon]

FLOMBIE, on 14 April 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

And it's debatable if the USA is the most powerful nation ever.

The OP means the whole of it, their were no countries back then.

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FLOMBIE, on 14 April 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

And it's debatable if the USA is the most powerful nation ever.

Anything is debatable.  But by nearly any metric you can imagine, the US has outperformed all other nations.  And we stand today as the West's last, pitiful defense of a freedom most don't even deserve...including the US these days.

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I realize that a majority here are atheist or agnostic and no problem.  But I want to have a serious discussion among folks who have pondered this subject.  Obviously if you think the Bible is a book of fairy stories there's no need to join in the discussion, no?
So, the question stands.  And for those who think a country should be given it's modern name, that isn't the case for any country I know of in scripture except Greece.  Countries are identified by the people groups that inhabited these areas at the time the books were written.

[Jeffertonturner]

Lol. Americans and there ego.  

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Jeffertonturner, on 14 April 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

Lol. Americans and there ego.  

So if you had to choose a country in history that was stronger.... who would it be?  And that's NOT what this thread is about.

[FLOMBIE]

Erix, on 14 April 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

The OP means the whole of it, their were no countries back then.

No, he doesn't.

[FLOMBIE]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

So if you had to choose a country in history that was stronger.... who would it be?  And that's NOT what this thread is about.

There are so many that are at least comparable. The British Empire, the Roman Empire, the Mongolian Empire, China during the Qing dynasty, the Holy Roman Empire and quie a few more.

[Jeffertonturner]

Ok. Serious answer. It is not mentioned in the bible because it did not exist when it was written. And because it was written by men at the time, and not an all knowing being, they didnt know there would be an America.

End of story.

[Gromdor]

Well, If revelations were true and were to happen today, I would say by the descriptions of Rev 18:1-18:24 that the Babylon that they talk about burning in the bible is actually the US.  Rev 18:11 mentions merchants gnashing their teeth because there was noone to buy ther goods anymore.  The US contains 5% of the worlds population but uses 25% of the energy, 50% of the worlds diamonds, 60% of the worlds drugs. I could google more stats but I think you get the idea.

[Kryso]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

I realize that a majority here are atheist or agnostic and no problem.  But I want to have a serious discussion among folks who have pondered this subject.  Obviously if you think the Bible is a book of fairy stories there's no need to join in the discussion, no?
So, the question stands.  And for those who think a country should be given it's modern name, that isn't the case for any country I know of in scripture except Greece.  Countries are identified by the people groups that inhabited these areas at the time the books were written.

Back in the time when the Bible was penned, most people hadn't even traveled miles from where they were born, more or less heard of other continents. Or are you referring to no prophecies about America in general? A few places were mentioned using their actual name, but mostly, I'm lead to believe things are very ambiguous, hence why there's so many different interpretations and religions today. It would be much easier if it wasn't so critic and just said everything in layman's terms. But imagine how boring the world would be without so many conflicting religions and everyone was happy

[libstaK]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

So if you had to choose a country in history that was stronger.... who would it be?  And that's NOT what this thread is about.

Mandarin (Chinese) and Spanish are very close rivals to English as the most spoken languages in the world.  We see the world through our own database of experience - but we are not really seeing the world at all, we are just seeing our own little corner of it and assuming everything that matters revolves around what we understand or have been taught to be true by the media/govt etc.

It's all a form of propaganda, what a Chinese or Spanish soul sees of the world may not show America or the English speaking world as much of an influence or power at all depending on their lifestyle - to 90% of the planet America could easily be seen as quite irrelevant one way or the other, it's possible and worth considering how skewed our perpective of the western world's importance in world's events could be,- just a thought experiment I'm throwing into the mix to mull over .