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[Mr Right Wing]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you MRW?
Did all the nations on earth one day just say, hmmm those darned Yanks are so nice.... lets let them influence almost every nation on earth.
And with the possible exception of Russia, every damned country you listed would have been speaking German or Japanese for the past 50 years had it not been for America. So if you can't show a wee bit of gratitude you can at least be silent.  Or maybe you'd like to nuke us like you would Argentina?

I hate Americans with their distorted world views which I blame on watching too much Holywood films. During WW2 the US wasnt a superpower it was a backwards nation that didnt even have a modern army. Us Brits brought your forces up to speed for D-day but by then the war was over.

Hitlers meddling stopped Germany knocking Britain out twice. Once at Dunkirk and the other during the Battle of Britain. Germany was better than us and we were totally beat. Hitlers meddling also stopped him buying winter clothing for Operation Barbarossa, it caused him to split up his forces instead of going straight for Moscow and it prevented his Southern Army breaking out at Stalingrad.

The German war machine was the most powerful the world has ever seen but was led by a meddling idiot who thought because he could give fancy speeches he was also a military genius. Russia eventually grinded them down on the plains of Eastern Europe thanks to Hitlers mistakes and their own scorched earth policy. Russia beat Germany not the US.

The Russians also beat the Japanese. The Japanese knew America couldnt produce enough atomic bombs to defeat them with (as they state in their history books) it was the day after Russia declared war on Japan that they surrendered.

Other lies are that the Americans didnt capture the enigima machine and in the film the Valkyrie the people that tried to assasinate Hitler werent doing it to remove a madman. They wanted Germany to win WW2 and wanted to replace Hitler with someone like Rommel so the meddling and military mistakes would stop.

The US was a great nation in the 50's while it spent British gold from WW2. Its been in decline ever since.

Germany is on the rise again in the EU, so is China and India isnt far behind. 5 years the US wont be number 1 anymore. Finally the Bible says the anti-christ will be a reserrected Holy Roman Empire so its looks like the EU at this point.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 14 April 2012 - 01:32 PM.

[Karlis]

Mr Right Wing, on 14 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

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Finally the Bible says the anti-christ will be a reserrected Holy Roman Empire so its looks like the EU at this point.

This is off-topic, but "anti-christ" refers to a person, not a nation/empire. Or do you know Scriptures that suggest otherwise?

Secondly, the way history seems to be developing, *the* (as opposed to *a*) anti-christ could well be the awaited Muslim 12th Immam, and the Muslim world could then be the Beast-Power.

Just a thought, since prophecies are open to all points of view.  

[Mr Right Wing]

Karlis, on 14 April 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

This is off-topic, but "anti-christ" refers to a person, not a nation/empire. Or do you know Scriptures that suggest otherwise?

Secondly, the way history seems to be developing, *the* (as opposed to *a*) anti-christ could well be the awaited Muslim 12th Immam, and the Muslim world could then be the Beast-Power.

Just a thought, since prophecies are open to all points of view.  

The Koran makes it clear the 12th Inman will ally with Christ to end the apocolypse.

[Vet74]

Mr Right Wing, on 14 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I hate Americans with their distorted world views which I blame on watching too much Holywood films. During WW2 the US wasnt a superpower it was a backwards nation that didnt even have a modern army. Us Brits brought your forces up to speed for D-day but by then the war was over.

Hitlers meddling stopped Germany knocking Britain out twice. Once at Dunkirk and the other during the Battle of Britain. Germany was better than us and we were totally beat. Hitlers meddling also stopped him buying winter clothing for Operation Barbarossa, it caused him to split up his forces instead of going straight for Moscow and it prevented his Southern Army breaking out at Stalingrad.

The German war machine was the most powerful the world has ever seen but was led by a meddling idiot who thought because he could give fancy speeches he was also a military genius. Russia eventually grinded them down on the plains of Eastern Europe thanks to Hitlers mistakes and their own scorched earth policy. Russia beat Germany not the US.

The Russians also beat the Japanese. The Japanese knew America couldnt produce enough atomic bombs to defeat them with (as they state in their history books) it was the day after Russia declared war on Japan that they surrendered.

Other lies are that the Americans didnt capture the enigima machine and in the film the Valkyrie the people that tried to assasinate Hitler werent doing it to remove a madman. They wanted Germany to win WW2 and wanted to replace Hitler with someone like Rommel so the meddling and military mistakes would stop.

The US was a great nation in the 50's while it spent British gold from WW2. Its been in decline ever since.

Germany is on the rise again in the EU, so is China and India isnt far behind. 5 years the US wont be number 1 anymore. Finally the Bible says the anti-christ will be a reserrected Holy Roman Empire so its looks like the EU at this point.

  Sounds as though you have been drinking brew from big mouth bottles. You hate America? = Jealousy = agenda driven drivel = a legend in your own mind. What a tool you are.

[Jeffertonturner]

Vet74, on 14 April 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

Sounds as though you have been drinking brew from big mouth bottles. You hate America? = Jealousy = agenda driven drivel = a legend in your own mind. What a tool you are.

Why do Americans think everyone who doesn't like them is jealous?

You couldn't pay me to live in that **** hole country.

[Mr Right Wing]

Vet74, on 14 April 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

Sounds as though you have been drinking brew from big mouth bottles. You hate America? = Jealousy = agenda driven drivel = a legend in your own mind. What a tool you are.

I didnt say I hated America I said I hate Americans with a distorted world view.

Its extremely patronising to find Americans revising world history to prop up their egos.

[Mr Right Wing]

Karlis, on 14 April 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

This is off-topic, but "anti-christ" refers to a person, not a nation/empire. Or do you know Scriptures that suggest otherwise?

Secondly, the way history seems to be developing, *the* (as opposed to *a*) anti-christ could well be the awaited Muslim 12th Immam, and the Muslim world could then be the Beast-Power.

Just a thought, since prophecies are open to all points of view.  

Iran is playing along with whats in the Koran. The Koran tells them the US and Israel must be destoryed in the apocolypse before the Messiah comes. The religious loonies running Iran therefore are trying to speed things up. They want nukes to do it themselves to bring the Messiah here to Earth.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 14 April 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[FLOMBIE]

A question that came to my mind: Which (contemporary) nations or countries are actually described in the bible?

[fullywired]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

.But John of Patmos wrote exclusively of nations that he knew nothing of in the book of Revelation.  .

And not   a lot of people can do that


                           fullywired

[Jor-el]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

I realize there are many theories as to America's place in end time events.  Of those possibilities the closest fit seems to me to be a reference in Ezekiel 38 about Gog being burned with fire as well as "those that dwell carelessly in the Isles"  But there is never a real mention of America in the Bible.  For those who take the bible as the inspired word of God and a message from Him to us, I've often wondered how the most powerful nation on earth,EVER in history, could be completely ignored as though it never existed.

Because America, contrary to popular belief, is not the center of the world, nor will it remain the strongest nation on earth. Like all things, its end will come as well.

[Jor-el]

FLOMBIE, on 14 April 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

A question that came to my mind: Which (contemporary) nations or countries are actually described in the bible?

They aren't, their geographical positions are by the way they were named back then. Additionally the bible also uses imagery of certain animals that have since turned out to be quite exact considering that certain nations picked those animals in their national depiction.

I'm reminded of  the bear, eagle, tiger, lion,  Serpent and Dragon, scorpion and a few others.

Not all are referred to as nations but a number of them are.

The bible deals mainly with the middle east, with europe and the asian continent. America, even though it is a powerful nation now, won't figure in any of this.

Some have said that it will be because it will be destroyed. There is no biblical foundation for this claim. My own view is that it will simply be a part of what is happening on the world stage. It won't have any particular influence in the events to come, in any way whatsoever.

Edited by Jor-el, 14 April 2012 - 09:21 PM.

[and then]

Jor-el, on 14 April 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Because America, contrary to popular belief, is not the center of the world, nor will it remain the strongest nation on earth. Like all things, its end will come as well.

The comment I made about America was to highlight it's unique place in the world at this time.  Some here have seized on my words to make the discussion about America's sins in the world or to make a comparison of the US with other nations.  I have no desire to argue with anyone since no views will ever be changed anyway.  I don't care what any of you think of my country.  Your's is no better.
I believe in Bible prophecy and I don't think that most here do.  For those who do believe it was possible for our Creator to see the end from the beginning it is a natural curiosity that such a powerful nation, one which has held sway over most of the world for decades, would not be mentioned in the explanation of the changes coming on the world at the end of our present age.
As I look at the world today I see a level of chaos unrivaled in my brief lifetime.  All the signs of the Olivet discourse are in the news daily.  Israel and specifically Jerusalem, what should be an insignificant, tiny little city and country on the Mediterranean is  the focus of the world's attention for decades.  The Bible predicted it.  It says that Jerusalem would be a troublesome stone and that anyone who tried to move it would be cut in pieces, even if the whole world came against it.  Those words were written a couple thousand years ago.
They've only recently been true in any real sense.
Most who do not read scripture think of some final "apocalyptic" battle that ends the world when nothing of the sort is told in the Bible at all.  The world does not end, simply man's government of it.  The OP wasn't an attempt to bait anyone into argument over who's country is better.  It was me wondering why, as this final confrontation appears close to occurring, the most militarily and economically powerful nation on the planet would not even rate a mention in how the actors played out.  Psalm 83 mentions the peoples that today comprise the nations of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the groups Hamas, Hizballah and the Palestinians in Gaza.  All these groups are said to unite and come against Israel - and be defeated by Israel.  In a separate conflict explained in Ezekiel 38/39 Israel is attacked by another group of peoples who comprise Russia and the countries north of the Black sea, Turkey,Iran,Libya and the other north African Muslim States,Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia and others.  These countries confederate to over run Israel and conquer it for economic gain.
With all these countries being mentioned, it is just a curiosity that a superpower that,if it still exists,is not being mentioned at all.
Did America bleed out from all the war making?  Did we succumb to debt issues?  Our nuclear arsenal should make the US a formidable player regardless our financial situation (see Russia)
yet no mention.....or at least not a mention anyone has recognized yet.
There is a reference in Ezekiel 38 to "Tarshish and the young lions thereof" which some think is America, GB and the commonwealth nations.  If that is accurate then the news isn't good.  They get burned at the same time Russia does in the Gog war.
With the Bible enthusiasts we have here at UM I thought someone might have some insight into this....

Edited by and then, 14 April 2012 - 09:13 PM.

[Jor-el]

and then, on 14 April 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

The comment I made about America was to highlight it's unique place in the world at this time.  Some here have seized on my words to make the discussion about America's sins in the world or to make a comparison of the US with other nations.  I have no desire to argue with anyone since no views will ever be changed anyway.  I don't care what any of you think of my country.  Your's is no better.
I believe in Bible prophecy and I don't think that most here do.  For those who do believe it was possible for our Creator to see the end from the beginning it is a natural curiosity that such a powerful nation, one which has held sway over most of the world for decades, would not be mentioned in the explanation of the changes coming on the world at the end of our present age.
As I look at the world today I see a level of chaos unrivaled in my brief lifetime.  All the signs of the Olivet discourse are in the news daily.  Israel and specifically Jerusalem, what should be an insignificant, tiny little city and country on the Mediterranean is  the focus of the world's attention for decades.  The Bible predicted it.  It says that Jerusalem would be a troublesome stone and that anyone who tried to move it would be cut in pieces, even if the whole world came against it.  Those words were written a couple thousand years ago.
They've only recently been true in any real sense.
Most who do not read scripture think of some final "apocalyptic" battle that ends the world when nothing of the sort is told in the Bible at all.  The world does not end, simply man's government of it.  The OP wasn't an attempt to bait anyone into argument over who's country is better.  It was me wondering why, as this final confrontation appears close to occurring, the most militarily and economically powerful nation on the planet would not even rate a mention in how the actors played out.  Psalm 83 mentions the peoples that today comprise the nations of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the groups Hamas, Hizballah and the Palestinians in Gaza.  All these groups are said to unite and come against Israel - and be defeated by Israel.  In a separate conflict explained in Ezekiel 38/39 Israel is attacked by another group of peoples who comprise Russia and the countries north of the Black sea, Turkey,Iran,Libya and the other north African Muslim States,Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia and others.  These countries confederate to over run Israel and conquer it for economic gain.
With all these countries being mentioned, it is just a curiosity that a superpower that,if it still exists,is not being mentioned at all.
Did America bleed out from all the war making?  Did we succumb to debt issues?  Our nuclear arsenal should make the US a formidable player regardless our financial situation (see Russia)
yet no mention.....or at least not a mention anyone has recognized yet.
There is a reference in Ezekiel 38 to "Tarshish and the young lions thereof" which some think is GB and the commonwealth nations.  If that is accurate then the news isn't good.  They get burned at the same time Russia does in the Gog war.
With the Bible enthusiasts we have here at UM I thought someone might have some insight into this....

Dear and then,

I have no particular view regarding the USA, which is after all only one country on the continent of America, if we include South America and view both as the continent of the americas then you are up to over 10 countries, none of them are mentioned either...

The view I have is specific in regards to the biblical information provided in the bible... we can strain ourselves all we want, but the truth is, the Americas are simply not mentioned at all.

What I do know is that it will be a part of the AntiChrists territory. Since only one area in the world will be free of that influence, then logically the rest will not escape it.

[and then]

Jor-el, on 14 April 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Dear and then,

I have no particular view regarding the USA, which is after all only one country on the continent of America, if we include South America and view both as the continent of the americas then you are up to over 10 countries, none of them are mentioned either...

The view I have is specific in regards to the biblical information provided in the bible... we can strain ourselves all we want, but the truth is, the Americas are simply not mentioned at all.

What I do know is that it will be a part of the AntiChrists territory. Since only one area in the world will be free of that influence, then logically the rest will not escape it.

That much IS a certainty, I agree.  I'm naturally curious about how the US will come to that place.  I guess I'll see soon enough.  Thanks Jor el

[LEGIONS]

who has the balls to even care what the use position with the bible is any way. they came to north america with a gun in one hand and their god bible in the other and we know how that turned out!!!!!!!