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#16    Babe Ruth

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:15 PM

Quite right on that point DieChecker--large parts of the entire world are immoral.  While our immorality and hypocrisy may be more egregious, given our holding ourselves up as saviors of the world, but the entire species is pretty much the same.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 05:15 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 16 April 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

I'd expect representatives of the US government to uphold to the higher morals, regardless of what laws are in effect whereever they are.

why?

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:57 PM

One thing is for certain... this will probably be the only TRUE thing that Obama can actually blame on 'Bush' :P

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:01 PM

And what do Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Partiers actually know about Ethics or Morality? Nothing!


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:09 PM

View PostTHE MATRIX, on 17 April 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

And what do Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Partiers actually know about Ethics or Morality? Nothing!
Glad you can speak for the whole lumped together group. :D It's beliefs like that that are sending this entire human race to hell in a hand basket.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:52 PM

View Postninjadude, on 17 April 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

why?
Because these are people who are supposed to be professionals, with decades of experience. They are hired by the government based on their professionalism. Just as I would expect a high level of morals from a military officer. Just as I would expect of an FBI agent.

Politicians you have to expect to be corrupt. Playing people and spending money to get votes is how every single one gets elected.

Edited by DieChecker, 17 April 2012 - 07:52 PM.

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:56 PM

View PostTHE MATRIX, on 17 April 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

And what do Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Partiers actually know about Ethics or Morality? Nothing!
You're talking politics. And democrat politicians are just as corrupt. Bill Clinton and Monica? Whitewater? John Edwards? The Kennedys? Chicago and Illinois? Gov Blagojevich? For every GOP corruption story, there is just as many Democrat instances of corruption.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:02 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 16 April 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Quite right on that point DieChecker--large parts of the entire world are immoral.  While our immorality and hypocrisy may be more egregious, given our holding ourselves up as saviors of the world, but the entire species is pretty much the same.
What egregious immoralities lead the list of US offenses?

Are they worse then Darfor? Or, the Sudan? Or the Terrorism between India and Pakistan? Or the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans? Or how many of the nations of South America turn a blind eye to the Drug Industry there and treat the heads of the drug Cartels as princes? How the child sex trade is tollerated in SE Asia?

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:50 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 April 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Because these are people who are supposed to be professionals, with decades of experience. They are hired by the government based on their professionalism. Just as I would expect a high level of morals from a military officer. Just as I would expect of an FBI agent.

Politicians you have to expect to be corrupt. Playing people and spending money to get votes is how every single one gets elected.
Professionals need to score too.
Who cares? If they didn't violate any laws where they were or rules that they are supposed to adhere to, I almost could care less. And what's all this moral crap that the US looks bad? They were Colombian hookers, from Colombia, in Colombia, adhering to Colombian law. It's they guys business as long as they didn't break a law or any rules they agreed to adhere to.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:28 AM

View Postninjadude, on 16 April 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

What do morals have to do with it? Is there a moral turpitude clause in their employment? I think not. The issue is illegality not morals.


Yes there is a morals clause in their contract!!


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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:53 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 April 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

What egregious immoralities lead the list of US offenses?

Are they worse then Darfor? Or, the Sudan? Or the Terrorism between India and Pakistan? Or the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans? Or how many of the nations of South America turn a blind eye to the Drug Industry there and treat the heads of the drug Cartels as princes? How the child sex trade is tollerated in SE Asia?

No, they are not worse than other examples of man's inhumanity to man.  Perhaps more hypocritical because of our bluff & bluster as we "spread democracy" by means of High Explosive.

Our egregious immorality is mostly related to the Dogs Of War that were unleashed in response to the events of 11 September.  Mostly war crimes, such as institutionalized torture and rendition.  Of course we give the goat herders of Central Asia their daily dose of murder and mayhem delivered by Predator Drones.

When 54% of american christians condone torture, it's safe to say that we've lost our moral bearings, eh?


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Posted 18 April 2012 - 02:18 AM

View PostBiffSplitkins, on 17 April 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

One thing is for certain... this will probably be the only TRUE thing that Obama can actually blame on 'Bush' :P
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 02:23 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 18 April 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

No, they are not worse than other examples of man's inhumanity to man.  Perhaps more hypocritical because of our bluff & bluster as we "spread democracy" by means of High Explosive.

Our egregious immorality is mostly related to the Dogs Of War that were unleashed in response to the events of 11 September.  Mostly war crimes, such as institutionalized torture and rendition.  Of course we give the goat herders of Central Asia their daily dose of murder and mayhem delivered by Predator Drones.

When 54% of american christians condone torture, it's safe to say that we've lost our moral bearings, eh?
Had 911 not occurred we Americans would be quite happy to have left the "goat herders" alone.  I get sick of people spitting on my country while they live here...blaming the world's woes on anything but their own actions.  Here's a clue for ya Babe - don't attack the US and we'll leave your country alone, deal?

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:23 PM

View Posthpamdmonster, on 18 April 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Yes there is a morals clause in their contract!!
Is there? Any sources, or links to what a Secret Service agents contract looks like? I'm curious to see what they actually have for terms of employment.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:31 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 April 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Because these are people who are supposed to be professionals, with decades of experience. They are hired by the government based on their professionalism.

So professionals can't be immoral? Professionals have higher morals than others? Professionals hare supposed to have higher morals?

These are mistaken impressions. There is nothing whatsoever to do with morals.


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