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[Beany]

I don't know, and Piaget isn't around to ask. Maybe the mind/body/socialization has to play catch up. What do you think? Do you think there are those who at birth went to stage 4, or maybe we're all born at stage 4, lose that awareness, then go through the first 3 stages to come back to stage 4 with all that experience behind it? As I'm typing, this reminds me of the story of Eden, except it ends with a return to the garden with full knowledge.

[Seeker79]

Beany, on 19 April 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

I don't know, and Piaget isn't around to ask. Maybe the mind/body/socialization has to play catch up. What do you think? Do you think there are those who at birth went to stage 4, or maybe we're all born at stage 4, lose that awareness, then go through the first 3 stages to come back to stage 4 with all that experience behind it? As I'm typing, this reminds me of the story of Eden, except it ends with a return to the garden with full knowledge.

I think stage 4 thinking can be taught. If parents teach their children to think like that it can stick.

[jugoso]

Seeker79, on 19 April 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

I think stage 4 thinking can be taught. If parents teach their children to think like that it can stick.

I sometimes think we are all born stage IV and then forget. Anyone familiar with the book Mister God, This Is Anna?

http://en.wikipedia....d,_This_Is_Anna

It´s mentioned in the article and describes a seven year-old girl already well into Stage IV, despite a presumably chaotic early childhood.
Opening sentence:
The difference from a person and an angel is easy. Most of an angel is in the inside and most of a person is on the outside.

[Mr Walker]

While Bucke in "Cosmic Consciousness" outlined three forms of consciousness ending with human form, there are obviously many stages within human consciousness. he explains his own expereince withthe higher levels of cosmic consciousness. While i have read mny grading schemes of consciousness, I like this one as a summary, because it fits my own experience .

http://www.anhglobal.org/en/node/591

[Beany]

I think the stages are helpful in understanding development, but they aren't rules or laws, just a way of organizing or cataloguing. I met a 10 year old girl last week that's probably at stage 5 or 6. Either that, or she was channeling!

[jugoso]

Mr Walker, on 20 April 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

While Bucke in "Cosmic Consciousness" outlined three forms of consciousness ending with human form, there are obviously many stages within human consciousness. he explains his own expereince withthe higher levels of cosmic consciousness. While i have read mny grading schemes of consciousness, I like this one as a summary, because it fits my own experience .

http://www.anhglobal.org/en/node/591

Thank you for the article Mr. Walker. It was a superb explanation and deepened my understanding. C.oincidentally, I´ve just finished reading Jesus.

[Beany]

That is a great link. I copied the quote from T.S. Eliot:

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

For me this is the biblical story of Eden, a beautiful metaphor of life's journey. Who knew Eliot could go from this: "I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of silent seas" to that? From despair to ecstasy, the human condition. As for myself, I wouldn't choose to change a minute or my journey, for if I did, I wouldn't be standing where I am now. My deepest gratitude to Mr. Walker, Jugoso, and Seeker, for helping me on my journey and reminding me of who I am. I don't know your faces, but the heart is familiar.

[jugoso]

Beany, on 21 April 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

That is a great link. I copied the quote from T.S. Eliot:

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

For me this is the biblical story of Eden, a beautiful metaphor of life's journey. Who knew Eliot could go from this: "I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of silent seas" to that? From despair to ecstasy, the human condition. As for myself, I wouldn't choose to change a minute or my journey, for if I did, I wouldn't be standing where I am now. My deepest gratitude to Mr. Walker, Jugoso, and Seeker, for helping me on my journey and reminding me of who I am. I don't know your faces, but the heart is familiar.

Beautiful quote. Very comforting. Thanks for high-lighting it Beany. It is certinly an amazing journey! I´m very thankful.

[PBnJ_Lover]

jugoso, on 15 April 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

What are your personal thoughts on the validity of these four stages?

I view part of myself in stage II, stage III and stage IV.  Does this make the stages invalid in my mind?  Well, did Mr. Peck thought that we would progress from stage I to II to III to IV and then not regress at all.  Do you know if that was his intention?

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[Beany]

I don't know what his thoughts were about regressing, but it doesn't seem likely that we could unlearn some things. We can deny them, invalidate them, but not unlearn them. And if we're denying or invalidating, we are aware of their existence. Stage 4 I think comes with great responsibility, and one is always wise to consciously decide to accept the responsibility. Regression maybe due to a catastrophic change in physical health, like brain damage, stroke, etc., but not volitional.