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[Sir Wearer of Hats]

 Paracelse, on 16 April 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

Actually if you reread history, divinity of JC was established after the council of Nicea in 325 CE.

Nicea was to decide the nature of Christ's divinity and his humanity, they chose the Gospels that played that up, while ignored the ones that were more humanocentric - but to my knowledge none of them in anyway said he wasn't the Son of God. Nicea also enshrined belief systems about that divinity.

[spud the mackem]

No way was Jesus a Buddhist or Christianity would not have been "born",he was a good guy trying to guide people on the right path,and to stop them being evil..He is mentioned 5 times in the Quran,so they knew about him.A lot of these "miracles" can be accounted for without thinking that they are supernatural..or above human achievement..There is no mention anywhere that He went to India,as the scribes would have jumped on it,as I guess they were very much like todays "papparatzi",like following a famous person or celebrity about..Keep the faith of whichever God you support....

[Paracelse]

 Wearer of Hats, on 16 April 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

Nicea was to decide the nature of Christ's divinity and his humanity, they chose the Gospels that played that up, while ignored the ones that were more humanocentric - but to my knowledge none of them in anyway said he wasn't the Son of God. Nicea also enshrined belief systems about that divinity.

Apparently we don'r read the same books as our respective sources

 and then, on 16 April 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

In Islam the tradition about Jesus (Issa)is that he survived the cross and was taken to heaven alive.  He is expected to return in the last days to Damascus.  He will reject Christians and say that he never told anyone he was the son of god.  He will pray "after" Mahdi and will kill all Jews and Christians who will not convert to the true religion of Islam.

The disciples all died as martyrs except John:
http://poptop.hyperm...et/howdied.html

In the Quoran version I've read, Simon of Cyrene died on the cross in lieu of JC

[Paracelse]

 spud the mackem, on 16 April 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

No way was Jesus a Buddhist or Christianity would not have been "born",he was a good guy trying to guide people on the right path,and to stop them being evil..He is mentioned 5 times in the Quran,so they knew about him.A lot of these "miracles" can be accounted for without thinking that they are supernatural..or above human achievement..There is no mention anywhere that He went to India,as the scribes would have jumped on it,as I guess they were very much like todays "papparatzi",like following a famous person or celebrity about..Keep the faith of whichever God you support....

I guess in the OP, the question was:  Did JC go to India during the lost years.  In fact he didn't have to go to India only to Alexandria (which is heck of a lot closer) since many mystery schools were open there.

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

I've researched this extensively and Issa as Jesus was a hoax. I can provide sources later but wanted to say this now. In a few hours ill return with some writing and sources if this thread is still kicking.

Edited by Aus Der Box Skeptisch, 16 April 2012 - 08:17 PM.

[DieChecker]

 Melo, on 15 April 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Hello Umers,

In the past when Lama dies Buddhist monks looks for the sign in the sky for reincarnation of Lama. When they find reincanated Lama then they took that child and teach him -at ages where he could be thought properly.
Were Biblical Magi buddhists monks? So is Jesus raised in India?
We dont know much about Jesus early life except gnostic documents.

Nicolaj Notovič  Russian Cossack officer ,spy and journalist, studied Buddhism in Tibet and wrote book: Unknown life of Jesus.
In his book he said that Buddist at Tibet wrote that "divine child is born in Judea-Isa .Isa came to India at age 14 and study Buddhism and leave at age of 29 and set on the way to Jerusalem. Where he teach people and later was killed." In short.
http://en.wikipedia....colas_Notovitch

As I heard Buddha also healed people,walk on water,feed mass of hungry people...so...

Also there are legends among people in India about Jusasa  who was sheperd and healer.(as I heard)(?)

Personnally, I don't think Jesus went anywhere, except possibly Egypt as a baby. Nazareth was refered to as his Hometown, and if you are traveling the world since you are a baby, you don't have a hometown.

Hometown was given as the excuse that he could not perform as many miracles in Nazareth, as too many people knew him well and did not have faith that the man they knew so well could "suddenly" perform miracles. No... Jesus lived in Israel his entire adult life.

I think the Magi were actually Persians, and probably Zoroastrianists. The followers of Zoroastrianism are refered to as Magi even today.

Almost all gnostic documents were written more then 200 years after Jesus's death. Where as the synoptic gospols were all written within 50 years of Jesus's death. Which is the better source material, do you suppose?

Budda performed miracles, perhaps, but so did the Egyptian sorcerers that confronted Moses when he went to beg for the Israelites to be freed. The Bible mentions a sorcerer, Simon, who controlled a lot of Sameria. So, magical ability was not confined to Budda and Jesus.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

 Paracelse, on 16 April 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Apparently we don'r read the same books as our respective sources

More likely is the fact that I've misunderstood what I read
FWIW I read about Nicea during a Certificate degree on Theology, so there could have been a bias in the text...

[PersonFromPorlock]

Heck, why not? After all, Buddha was canonised by the Orthodox Church as St. Josaphat. Fair's fair, and all that.

[Arbitran]

 Melo, on 15 April 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Hello Umers,

In the past when Lama dies Buddhist monks looks for the sign in the sky for reincarnation of Lama. When they find reincanated Lama then they took that child and teach him -at ages where he could be thought properly.
Were Biblical Magi buddhists monks? So is Jesus raised in India?
We dont know much about Jesus early life except gnostic documents.

Nicolaj Notovič  Russian Cossack officer ,spy and journalist, studied Buddhism in Tibet and wrote book: Unknown life of Jesus.
In his book he said that Buddist at Tibet wrote that "divine child is born in Judea-Isa .Isa came to India at age 14 and study Buddhism and leave at age of 29 and set on the way to Jerusalem. Where he teach people and later was killed." In short.
http://en.wikipedia....colas_Notovitch

As I heard Buddha also healed people,walk on water,feed mass of hungry people...so...

Also there are legends among people in India about Jusasa  who was sheperd and healer.(as I heard)(?)

I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was indeed a Hindu and Buddhist yogi/monk, yes. I find that the evidence is compelling, and points towards such a truth. The fact that Jesus very clearly quotes Buddha and the Hindu writings multiple times, both in the canonic and non-canonic gospels, is one of the most obvious indications that Jesus was well-learned in the Eastern philosophies.

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

 Arbitran, on 17 April 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:

I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was indeed a Hindu and Buddhist yogi/monk, yes. I find that the evidence is compelling, and points towards such a truth. The fact that Jesus very clearly quotes Buddha and the Hindu writings multiple times, both in the canonic and non-canonic gospels, is one of the most obvious indications that Jesus was well-learned in the Eastern philosophies.

Good philosophy doesn't mean copied philosophy.
Could you expand because I may be missing something important. I was in the camp that Jesus studied Buddhism and the likes until I seriously researched it and found myself in doubt.

[Arbitran]

 Aus Der Box Skeptisch, on 17 April 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Good philosophy doesn't mean copied philosophy.
Could you expand because I may be missing something important. I was in the camp that Jesus studied Buddhism and the likes until I seriously researched it and found myself in doubt.

I see too many parallels for it to be simply coincidental:

Jesus: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." Luke 6:31
Buddha: "Consider others as yourself." Dhammapada 10:1

(this is the clearest example)

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

 Arbitran, on 17 April 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:

I see too many parallels for it to be simply coincidental:

Jesus: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." Luke 6:31
Buddha: "Consider others as yourself." Dhammapada 10:1

(this is the clearest example)

Good philosophy does not mean copied philosophy.  Most of my personal views on life and how it should be lived parallels Buddhism almost exactly. I did not study Buddhism until about 4 years ago. I have held the same views for over ten years. Six of those ten years I knew Buddhism only by name. Does that mean 9 years ago I was a Buddhist?  Simply because the philosophy I held mirrored Buddhism?

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

 Arbitran, on 17 April 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:

I see too many parallels for it to be simply coincidental:

Jesus: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." Luke 6:31
Buddha: "Consider others as yourself." Dhammapada 10:1

(this is the clearest example)

This is what I should have said first though. Thank you for giving an example. This is honest comparison. Keep showing references like this as you post. Next we'll work on links. (Copy and paste address from the address bar... right click copy then right click paste) you will be up to no good in no time. Seriously though with all the heck you have gotten lately I thought I'd give you praise for proper posting.

[Arbitran]

 Aus Der Box Skeptisch, on 17 April 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

This is what I should have said first though. Thank you for giving an example. This is honest comparison. Keep showing references like this as you post. Next we'll work on links. (Copy and paste address from the address bar... right click copy then right click paste) you will be up to no good in no time. Seriously though with all the heck you have gotten lately I thought I'd give you praise for proper posting.

Thank you. I have many other things like this, for my other theses, but this one was far simpler to write out: I have it posted to my wall.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

 Arbitran, on 17 April 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:

I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was indeed a Hindu and Buddhist yogi/monk, yes. I find that the evidence is compelling, and points towards such a truth. The fact that Jesus very clearly quotes Buddha and the Hindu writings multiple times, both in the canonic and non-canonic gospels, is one of the most obvious indications that Jesus was well-learned in the Eastern philosophies.

The other option is of course the Lord God 'trialled' his new code of conduct in Asia and the green-lit it in Judea