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[GS1]

Well, okay, I was unaware of any small Poussin paintings. Still no good reason to believe they were painted by Poussin though, especially when the pigment analyisis indicated different ingredients in EVERY color paint they tested against a known Pouissin painting. I noticed on your site that the Jonah Cast into the Sea painting I mentioned as being by Poussin and having a different looking whale/fish is actually by another painter, Gaspard Dughet. So that may explain the difference in the style of the two paintings. I still can't get around the fact that the pigment analysis was different from Poussin's pigments and that there is a signature mark on one which is not a Poussin mark.

[GS1]

I have made a final version of the RLC geometry. I found the Esperaza church and put the left pentagram point right at the steeple then made the size of the geometry such that its vertical centerline passes right through the RLC church steeple/tower. RLC is sort of heart shaped and Sauniere is known to have been a "sacred heart" devotee. Here's a window from the Villa Bethania.



Here's the geometry with RLC as the sacred heart of the pentagram. Actually, if you accept that the hexagram represents Jesus and the pentagram Mary then you actually have the sacred hearts of both overlapped in the geometry. The only two reference points you need are Esperaza church steeple and RLC church steeple. When the left arm point and the centerline are placed at those points then the circle can only be one possible size, which is 4.4 normal miles. I don't know if the diameter is of any particular significance or just chance result, but it comes in handy as a memorable figure.

Edited by GS1, 07 June 2012 - 03:52 PM.

[GS1]

Whether or not this geometry was purposely incorporated into Francoise Gasc's paintings, I believe that it is a legitimate RLC landscape geometry. It makes perfect sense to me that somebody in a secret society related to the Sacred Heart would have seen RLC as the heart of a large figure, a pentagram being the obvious one to represent a goddess or revered female, due to its association with Venus/Aphrodite. I find it unlikely that anybody would possess Poussin paintings and then forgot who painted them. It's conceivable, of course, just like any painting anybody buys at a garage sale could conceivably be by Poussin. There's just no evidence to confirm it, which is what it all comes down to really. If Ms. Gasc has no hesitancy in making completely unsupported statements in public about who painted what paintings, that's her prerogative. Personally, I like to make statements only when they are actually supportable. FIRST you get a signed statement to the effect that Poussin is more likely to be the artist than not from the Louvre Museum, THEN you publicly say that they are by Poussin. I haven't seen any such statement on Ms. Gasc's site yet. That makes me wonder why not. Easy enough to find the Louvre Museum.

[gasc1988]

to GS1 and about his post
HERE is what GS 1 sent me on my mail  a few days ago
i think  GS1  has an idea on his head since this time  where i send him confidential  elements
it s bad to do that.


GS!  said

Mr. Gasc, if those are real Poussin paintings, and it appears to me
that they are, you must realize that they are worth probably at least
$10,000,000. Another Poussin painting, Mount of Olives, sold for 6.7
million at auction in 1999.

These two St. Paul paintings are a pair like the first and second
Shepherds of Arcadia paintings. You have le Naufrage de Saint Paul,
versions 1 and 2. It's not about the Argonauts after all. Completely
different story.

You are a very fortunate man, Mr. Gasc, to have inherited these
paintings. You will become very famous shortly I'm sure. You'll have
to prove they are real though. It is of course possible to hire
someone to paint in the style of Poussin. Considering that you didn't
even know what the subject being depicted was, I'm assuming you are
being honest. It's just a matter of whether or not your ancestors got
genuine paintings. From the style and the matching depiction of St
Paul in another Poussin painting, my opinion is that they are
legitimate. This must be very big news in the art world. Nobody even
knew they existed until you announced it, because they were privately
owned and stored by your ancestors. The fact that you actually possess
both versions is amazing. The two Shepherds of Arcadias got split up.

[gasc1988]

here are english version about french researcher more serious ,  ive sent at GS these  sacred geometry  realized by this person and after GS  has changed his version ,
HOW PUT PICTURES ON THE POST PLEASE



its construction is not conventional, but it is not immune to the axes and points of markers...

On this table, in addition to the 5, we have also 6 (always with the rectangle of gold and Phi and the axes disclosed by the masts of the ship) the man in the air between the boat and the monster is extraordinary in its position because it forms a cross and gives the center of the twin with the blue circle circle forming 6-pointed star (this point with yellow are the most important of the table and the corners formed by the) left branches of the pentacle and the hexagon might give a latitude and longitude if the painter was designed to hide a place any (me is what I do...)

so I hope that it will suffice you, thus the forms have me parler.quand I have read your response and I saw the name of the painter I got a smile... I do a topic on this painter, his paintings and a research on the mystery of Rennes le Château, so this doesn't surprise me is finding a symbolic to pentacle and the number of gold (as Leonardo da Vinci also).

the secret is based on knowledge Atlantean hidden in the region certainly in a cave or cave Interior (not far there is Mount Buggarach) doing the world believe that this is a hardware treasure then finally not.

This knowledge must include concrete evidence of the existence of an ancient civilization prior to our from the Knights Templar and Cathar and putting at risk the beliefs wrong of the Catholic Church (and religions in General) in my research I found correlations with the constellations of Hercules and Bouvier NP are initials the majority of his paintings show the landscape with buildings or castles and what could be a rocky peak with characters more or less mythical (Angels, Devils, titans, etc...)

I think the landscapes in the vicinity of Rennes of the Castle, Mount Bugarach (see mysteries and legends related to this mountain) there is presence of the number of gold and a 5 star branches hidden in the construction of the table creating axes and points that show may be secret places if it is in the field of vision characters present in the tables if it goes to places in the real world.

[GS1]

Yeah, at first I thought they were Poussin paintings, because I didn't know how small they were and I figured somebody in your family had said that they were. Then I saw their small size and read the pigment analysis on your site more closely. Eventually I realized that there was really nothing to suggest that they were by Poussin other than your words. If they WERE Poussin paintings THEN they would be worth $10,000,000. As it is, they are worth maybe $10,000 if you get lucky at auction and you have an authenticated history of them being in Notre Dame de Marceille.

Now my question to you is why are you so reluctant to entertain the notion that they may NOT be by Poussin? Why does the artist matter so much to you? It can't be about the RLC mystery because Poussin is a very peripheral player in that mystery, having only been mentioned in one parchment which is thoroughly proven to have been made by Philippe de Cherisey. Why exactly do you care so much that they be painted by Poussin? I showed you the secret geometry contained within them, you should be quite happy about that. All you had besides that was the stuff that other guy did, which is nothing. There is no Phi proportion in those paintings. I checked that myself. The geometry you got from him is completely meaningless. It was nice of him to attempt a solution but he was just way out of his league.

I think the letters that you thought were "Pou S X" are in fact "Tou. S X", which means Toulouse France and Saint Xavier. The painting must have came from Eglise St-François-Xavier, Toulouse. It was built in the 19th century.

Edited by GS1, 08 June 2012 - 11:18 PM.

[gasc1988]

o GS1 you must learn before talking !it's not serious what you say !
in France with expertise we have  and it's on my site we can attribute with other proofs  we have these paintings to Poussin .it's ridiculous what you say  and stop please !
GS1  you have received from me confidential documents and since he says wrong  things.
i will no more   answer  you now !
i send pictures sacred geometry from the french researcher

http://imageshack.us.../tablea101.jpg/


http://imageshack.us.../tablea111.jpg/

[DieChecker]

gasc1988, on 16 April 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

2 UNKNOWN POUSSIN'S PAINTINGS  DISCOVERED :THE KEY OF RENNES LE CHATEAU'S MYSTERY  AND  SHOUGBOROUGH :POUSSIN'S SECRET IS DISCOVERED

There is a great mystery Rennes le chateau with strange priest Sauniere . Nicolas Poussin is in the center of this mystery . Many people believe since long years it's the "BERGERS d'ARCADIE" which give the answer!but there has been no answer in this painting just some hypothetic answers . There is 6 years I've received from my mother 2 paintings which were in my family since a long time . They came from a priest Henri Gasc ,priest in a church Notre Dame de Marceille near Rennes le chateau . He was my ancestor.Since 6years we 've discovered that these paintings were of Nicolas Poussin and were the key of the Rennes le chateau's mystery and the key of Poussin's secret .
We have found many symbols and many hidden symbols in these paintings ,which give the answer at all the questions about this mystery . I tell about all this story and my discoverings in my site

http://www.lesecretdepoussin.com/

There has been a reportage on the greatest french TV to explain my discoverings . These 2 paintings have been found in a crypt of the church where Gasc was priest . near Rennes le chateau . He has discovered the secret in these 2 paintings and has passed on the secret in parchments, these famous parchments which have been founded in Rennes le chateau's church by Sauniere . There has been no luck discovering by Sauniere , but these parchments have been placed here, to be found and pass on the secret . Read my incredible story which explains this fabulous mystery ....
In these paintings there is a code to find the answer at this secret . There is a hidden message and a hidden picture in each painting.You must find it to understand. .
The Poussin' seal is a boat ,in conection with Argonautes . This Poussin's seal is in connection with Poussin's secret . Look my painting which also is in connection with Argonautes

It is very interesting. And I agree that the cliffs/buildings do appear to my Non-expert eye to be very similar to Poussin. I don't think the comparisons with the clouds and the shadowing is very convincing however. Same with the hands of Jonah being lifted. That was very common posture in medieval painting.

The comparison to Paul Bril is very interesting. If I saw all these Poussin paintings and the Bril paintings. I'd guess immediately that these were related more to the Bril paintings. Bril apparently worked in Rome at the same time as Poussin, and he apparently was noted for making landscape and seascapes that were even smaller then the ones on your website/page.
http://en.wikipedia...._Mattheus_Brill

[GS1]

gasc1988, on 10 June 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

o GS1 you must learn before talking !it's not serious what you say !
in France with expertise we have  and it's on my site we can attribute with other proofs  we have these paintings to Poussin .it's ridiculous what you say  and stop please !
GS1  you have received from me confidential documents and since he says wrong  things.
i will no more   answer  you now !
i send pictures sacred geometry from the french researcher

http://imageshack.us.../tablea101.jpg/


http://imageshack.us.../tablea111.jpg/

And what "confidential documents" might that be? Oh, you mean the images freely available to the entire world all over the Internet because you posted them everywhere? Funny looking "documents". Look more like paintings to me. Anyway, I had to provoke you by questioning your Poussin theory to see how you would react. Had you acted in a normal manner and said "I'm sorry you don't share my opinion" then you would have been shown to be a reasonable person with an objective scientific mind who is probably being honest. Instead, you became rude and abusive and refused to even consider that you may be wrong. What does that tell the forum viewers? It tells me that I must say thank you for saying that you won't reply to me anymore. That will cut down on my daily abuse by about 98%.

[HollyDolly]

Well the paintings certainly are old.Have you contacted the louvre about them? They may be able to clean them and even identify the  painter. If not done by Poussin, maybe they were painted by a student of his.Some painters did have students back in those days,and even had a school where they taught painting.If there is a connection to Rennes, it maybe more than geometric shapes ,but what it is i can't say.Unless the buildings in the first painting represent Rennes Le Chateau.

The maze shaped form in the photo does appear to be a labaryinth.The question is, do the locals know about it.What was on the land in the past?Was there some sort of building there,etc?

[DieChecker]

gasc1988, on 16 April 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

There is 6 years I've received from my mother 2 paintings which were in my family since a long time . They came from a priest Henri Gasc ,priest in a church Notre Dame de Marceille near Rennes le chateau . He was my ancestor.

I thought all Catholic Priests were required to be celebate and unmarried since the 11th century??

How can you be a recognized decendant of Henri Gasc, unless... he was removed from the priesthood?

[GS1]

HollyDolly, on 13 June 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

The maze shaped form in the photo does appear to be a labaryinth.The question is, do the locals know about it.What was on the land in the past?Was there some sort of building there,etc?

  I don't know when it was made, could be modern, could be old. The only thing I could find in Google was this notice about a music concert there;

"16 heures, Labyrinthe, Prat de Juge
Concert par le collectif  "Roger"
(40 musiciens de la Haute Vallée)."
http://www.artistesa...005/index.shtml

[GS1]

DieChecker, on 14 June 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

I thought all Catholic Priests were required to be celebate and unmarried since the 11th century??

How can you be a recognized decendant of Henri Gasc, unless... he was removed from the priesthood?

I asked her that by e-mail and she said Henri was her great great uncle. I guess Henri's brother wasn't a Catholic priest.

[DieChecker]

GS1, on 16 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

I asked her that by e-mail and she said Henri was her great great uncle. I guess Henri's brother wasn't a Catholic priest.

Then that is not an ancestor, right? It is a relative, or distant relation.

[GS1]

DieChecker, on 16 June 2012 - 03:37 AM, said:

Then that is not an ancestor, right? It is a relative, or distant relation.

She did say "ancestor" didn't she. Maybe just her poor English. If she wants people to believe her she should publish her family tree and the documents relating to the inheritance. So far, all we have is her word for anything.