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[Rlyeh]

Unseelie, on 19 April 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

Dying is not easy since our prime directive is to stay alive to propagate the species. Going against the prime directive triggers the amygdala making it quite difficult to take your own life. One study I read about revealed those who commit suicide did so because of many factors. Like any illness there are factors which increase your chances of contagion.

Just knowing someone who has committed suicide increases your risks. Someone in your immediate community can also increase your risks. Both can lead to clusters.

Rehearsing the act of suicide, going through the motions even mentally, will increase your chances immensely so that when something later happens to trigger you you can go into automatic mode without thinking and follow through what you have practiced. The risks especially increases then with most who do commit suicide will do so within 15 minutes of such an episode. After that the chances decrease to their previous levels.

Obviously it takes a lot to override our prime directive. Definitely not the path of least resistance. We were meant to experience growth while we live so that is the true path of least resistance.

Sorry, but not eating or drinking is definitely much easier to do than finding food and water.

[Sky Scanner]

Rlyeh, on 19 April 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

Sorry, but not eating or drinking is definitely much easier to do than finding food and water.

There's a difference between physical ease and mental ease. The examples given by the OP refer to physical ease, but i'm not sure it was restricted to that. I'd have said the easiest path is that which is mentally easier (not referring to a less intelligent route)...the physical aspect becomes less relevant then.

[Leave Britney alone!]

Rlyeh, on 19 April 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

Sorry, but not eating or drinking is definitely much easier to do than finding food and water.

No, it isn't. The physical symptoms of starvation would not be easy by anyone's definition.  Unless you meant skipping one or two meals only but that would not lead to death as is being discussed.

[Rlyeh]

Unseelie, on 19 April 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

No, it isn't. The physical symptoms of starvation would not be easy by anyone's definition.  Unless you meant skipping one or two meals only but that would not lead to death as is being discussed.

No action will always be easier than action.

What is more easier than doing nothing?

Easy doesn't always mean happy.

[JGirl]

Rlyeh, on 19 April 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Easy doesn't always mean happy.

i agree
i don't think the terms ease or easy are accurate to describe what the OP is suggesting.

easy is not always good or right or helpful either

easy is just easy.

[JGirl]

Unseelie, on 19 April 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

No, it isn't. The physical symptoms of starvation would not be easy by anyone's definition.  Unless you meant skipping one or two meals only but that would not lead to death as is being discussed.

the physical symptoms of starvation require no participation on your part so yes it would be 'easy' to starve. you would not like it that's for sure, but you have to do NOTHING in order for it to happen.
seems you are confusing easy with comfortable.
i think the OP is doing the same to a degree, although if i remember correctly arpee has done this before, using terminology that doesn't relate to his point.

[Robbie333]

Arpee, on 18 April 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

You won't know how to react, but thanks to the nature of life you won't have to worry about that. You will get the experience which will make these situations EASIER to deal with. The more you do it, the easier it becomes, But that does not mean that you have to sacrifice your feeling of ease when going through such situations. You can learn while feeling ease. If it gets to difficult, just go to a quiet place and relax or take a break. There is always a way for you to regain your natural ease.




For most people, it isn't. They cannot find ease in death. Most people even scared of it.



Can you explain more what you mean when you say "a dead end"? I'm not sure what your point is.

             If you research all of the things that make life seemingly easy they are usually a cheating path through life and you will not grow while on this path of "easy street". For instance, inheriting a lot of money will give you all you ever wanted and you will sit on your ass and be waited on and never have to strive to achieve anything. This is just one example. Okay, my point is and this is my opinion only. Achieving goals, such as, financial, education and just life in general needs and I stress the term "needs" to be something accomplished through faith in yourself and hard work or it will mean nothing to you. " Easy Street" is a way to learn nothing worth learning. Striving and working hard toward a goal gives us meaning in every aspect of life you can name.

                         The purpose of life is a life of purpose.  ~Robert Byrne

Edited by Robbie333, 19 April 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[Leave Britney alone!]

ease is also the opposite of disease. I do not think the OP is confusing any terms...

[JGirl]

Unseelie, on 19 April 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

ease is also the opposite of disease.

what's your point?

[Arpee]

Rlyeh, on 19 April 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

No action will always be easier than action.

What is more easier than doing nothing?

Easy doesn't always mean happy.

Not taking action and suffering in long slow pain, is not easier than taking simple action to end it.

[Leave Britney alone!]

That sitting there starving is not a condition of ease. In fact it mimics a disease as your body begins to fail. The etymology of disease is simply dis ease or not at ease.

Arpee stated the point exactly and concisely.

[Mike G]

Arpee, on 17 April 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

But it does realize that it would be the most natural and easiest path to take. Ease feels good.

Although, ease may feel like boredom if you are addicted to the excitement.

So you propose that everyone just go with the prevailing flow and don't cause a stir?

They would have loved you in Nazi Germany.

[Leave Britney alone!]

Resistance, even if difficult phsyically and psychologically, to many would have provided more ease than seeing your loved ones and others die which would be more psychologically difficult.

One thing could be easier physically but more difficult psychologically. Which is easier torture or loneliness?

Studies have shown that some psychological pain, such as loneliness, register the same on the mind as one undergoing physical torture. The same parts of the brain light up during an fMRI.

Some of the challenges presented thus far to the OP are very simplistic but it is more nuanced than that. To use an earlier example if sitting there starving uses less calories than obtaining food then it must be easier to just starve? If only limiting the definition to one aspect such as caloric expense then yes but as with any subject the more information factored in the more reliable the conclusion.

What would provide more ease for a mother? Doing nothing so that her baby starves or struggling daily to feed her child?

There are many varieities of ease, some operating on seemingly different levels, comparing them and their values might be subjective but should still be done for a broader overview of this topic.

Ignoring some only limits your own view. Of course dismissing factors might provide more ease to some while the prospect of an under informed conclusion might be too difficult for others to accept.

Edited by Unseelie, 20 April 2012 - 07:17 AM.

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Rlyeh, on 19 April 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

This isn't about how easy, its about fear. Dying is easy.

True dying is easy, but it is not about fear. It is aloving the fear and all other emotions in. I failed but not becouse of fear, I think it is more about rage.

[Arbenol68]

Rosa Parkes didn't do the easy thing. Neither did Lech Walesa, or countless others who have changed the world by refusing to drift with the current.