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#1    Novo

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Posted 19 September 2004 - 12:59 AM

When francos fascist soldiers, attacked spain in July of 1936 with the
goal of overthrowing the newly founded and unstable republic, the spanish
people responded by revolting.Resulting in a revolution that created a
state of proletarian socialism different from any other revolution in
history.Almost instaneously, working class people took control of factories
and military installments, land was collectivized; and sorts of "militias"
were formed.
When fascism emerged triumphant in Spain in 1939,
many Spanish revolutionaries sought  asylum in the United States.

Now almost 60 years later, the united states has declared war on the people of
the middle east. Why? Because the united states is planning on controlling all of the worlds
oil. Citing there resources (remember theres barely enough oil being ran through the alaskan
pipeline to keep it from rusting) there are over 400 different major oil sites in the united
states, yet more then 90% of these are left to sit and ferment.
This is a real conspiracy in the American government, before Bush took office he already had
plans in place to "Establish americas place as a world power in the 21st century"
Now, after 9/11 civil libertys are being stripped away from the common people quicker than you
can imagine. Bush is using 9/11 as an excuse to kill innocent people, and the equation "10 gallons of
blood=4 barrels of oil" is all to true. As you pump your gas tank full, remember that somewhere
far away people are dieing for your life to be more comfortable.

1000 americans troops are dead, and 20000 civilians. Bush granted permission to use "daisy" bombs
the largest non nuclear bomb in the world, in areas with over 7000 civilians.

Help get this moron out of office today, register at Punkvoter.org, and vote for a third party.
This isnt anyone but bush, its the best choice.
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:21 AM

I'm hoping that perhaps for the 2008 election their might be a third party emerge with the clout to take on the Dems and Reps. Their are leaders out there that people can respect completely, you just have to find them.
As for this election Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum.
Unfortuantely no third party has shown any unifying force this year.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 04:41 AM

Come off it.
We didn't go to Iraq for oil.
Of course Neither you nor i can prove it either way. Stop trying to convince people other wise. Whoever is voting for Bush, Kerry or Nader has already made up there minds.
Those who havent decided will go with an Independent, not vote or go with the Devil they know.

By the way im voting for Bush. And you know what i dont care what he has or has not done im voting for him...not because i was raised a certain way just because his personal beliefs and what he's done so far in office coincide with my own beliefs...however when he does something i disapprove of ill be the first to call it..but so far im  satisfied.



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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:10 PM

right, iraq had nothing to do with oil.
I believe that the day I believe glamboy was straight.
and he wasnt. wink2.gif
-49 reasons to hate bush jr.
1. The national debt under Bush Jr. has increased so drastically that the average American's estimated share of national debt will be an astronomial $24,000-compared to $500 when Dubya first took office.

2. Under Bush Jr. there are now 43 million Americans with no health insurance.

3. Resonponsible for an unemploymentrate of 6%. There are now 9 million people out of work in America-3.3 million more than when Bush took office.

4. He cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

5. Bush Jr. deserted his unit during Vietnam and was reportedly AWOL for over a year from his assigned unit: the Texas Air National Guard, or as it's referred to by other military outfits: the "Champagne Division."

6. Despite a 13% unemployment rate among those aged 16-24, Bush Jr. proposed to eliminate youth opportunity grants-a program that provides job training to the nation's youth. A $225 million program in 2002 is now being done away with so Bush can have more money for Iraq.

7. He cut funding for 375,000 low income college students and reduced Pell Grnat amounts to such a severe degree that it effectively caused 84,000 students to no longer be eligiblefor Pell Grants. Pell amounts have been overall readuced for 1.5 million students...it's safe to say that the Bush daughters aren't eligible for financial aid, so this won't affect the oppulent lives of anyone Bush Jr. knows.

8. Withdrew from the international criminal court.

9. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections.)

10. All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for mose corporate campaign donations.

11. The Bush administration had twice as many FBI agents fighting the drug war than fighting terrorism prior to 9/11. Even after 9/11, more than 2,000 FBI agents are wasting their valuable time assigned to the war on drugs.

12. His proposed "Free Trade" agreements would result in the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign markets and the exploitation of third world workers.

13. John Ashcroft.

14. He has taken 11 official executive actions to undermine reproductive rights...how long will it be before a woman is stripped of her right to choose?

15. Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive."

16. Wasted federal resources on a PR trip to Baghdad where he staged a Thanksgiving meal at 6am with troops that were screened based on their political affiliation. And the turkey? It was a prop.

17. His refusal to fire-or even reprimand-Lt. General Jerry "Our God is Bigger than Your God" Boykin. Perhaps it's because Boykin said of the president, "George Bush was not elected by a majority of voters in the United States. He was appointed by God. He's in the White House because God put him there."

18. After sending troops off to die in an unjust and unprovoked war, he still has yet to attend any soldiers' funeral.

19. His shameless nepotism for the rich and powerful. Elizabeth Cheney (daughter of Ol' Dick) got hooked up with a cool gig at the state department where she was in charge of the $129 million Middle East Partnership Initiative and then was moved over to Daddy and Uncle Dubya's campaign payroll.

20. He dropped his dog on its head.

21. Bush Jr. is the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

22. Bush Jr. has set an all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people,) shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

23. He slashed funding to the violence against women act.

24. He has invaded and occupied two countries at the continuing cost of one billion dollars per week.

25. He has appointed Charles Pickering, a notorious segregationist from Mississippi, as a federal judge and suspiciously did so on Martin Luther King Day.

26. Bush has spent over $100 billion on Iraq, leaving states to face the largest budget crisis in decades and forced to cut off public services; now with the federal deficit at a new high Bush Jr. wants to award more tax breaks to the wealthy.

27. Uner new Bush legislation (the Clear Skies Initiative,) power plants are allowed to emit triple the amount of highly-toxic mercury into the environment.

28. Bush Jr. failed to protect 3 million acres of the Tongass National Forest from logging. The Tongass has the highest concentration of bald eagles on Earth and has already lost 700 square miles to logging with 33 more logging permits pending. Not even the sanctity of our endangered national bird can compete with Bush campaign contributions provided by the forest industry.

29. He is on pace to have taken more vacation than any president in history, including a 28-day vacation right before 9/11. Bush Jr. has taken 6 months of vacation in total...do you know anyone who gets 6 months of vacation?

30. He pulled out of the Kyoto Agreement on global warming, which had been agreed upon by 178 other countries.

31. Bush Jr. is endorsed by fundamentalist Pat Robertson who claims that God told him Bush will win re-election and that "It doesn't make a difference what Bush does because God is blessing him." Bush keeps some great company, but keep in mind Robertson was also the nitwit that blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and suggested that we "nuke" the U.S. State Department.

32. He set the record for most executions by any governor in American history. 152 in total; some of whom were mentally disabled.

33. Has repeatedly stonewalled the public investigation into 9/11.

34. Bush Jr. failed to fully fund the AIDS Initiative after promising to do so. The fianl cuts that resulted were over $2 billion.

35. He still suggests that homosexuals are "sinners" and is pushing legislation that would forbid gay partnerships and deny fundamental civil rights on a national and local level.

36. Choked on a pretzel and nearly lost his life while seated in front of a TV.

37. Bush Jr. has gone to great lengths to prevent investigations of his friends at Enron and Halliburton. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

38. Bush Jr. has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of television.

39. Responsible for a $521 billion budget deficit-less than 4 years after inheriting a $200 billion surplus.

40. He has made repeated attempts to legalize oil drilling in the National Wildlife Refuge.


Edited by Student&Alive, 22 September 2004 - 08:11 PM.

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-Martin Luthur king Jr, activist


Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.
- Martin luthur King Jr., activist

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:37 PM

And he eats babies. /nod


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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:03 PM

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And he eats babies. /nod


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Posted 23 September 2004 - 04:17 AM

1. The national debt under Bush Jr. has increased so drastically that the average American's estimated share of national debt will be an astronomial $24,000-compared to $500 when Dubya first took office.

Look no one cares about the national dept...theres nothing anyone can do about it.

2. Under Bush Jr. there are now 43 million Americans with no health insurance

You know what million didnt have it before he took office...including me again i dont care.

3. Resonponsible for an unemploymentrate of 6%. There are now 9 million people out of work in America-3.3 million more than when Bush took office.

Last time i checked Penn Traffic laid off my dad no bush! How curious.

4. He cut healthcare benefits for war veterans

Its been happeing for years under other administrations

5. Bush Jr. deserted his unit during Vietnam and was reportedly AWOL for over a year from his assigned unit: the Texas Air National Guard, or as it's referred to by other military outfits: the "Champagne Division."

First off all thats never been proven...see Dan Rathers apology after the documents could not be verified.


6. Despite a 13% unemployment rate among those aged 16-24, Bush Jr. proposed to eliminate youth opportunity grants-a program that provides job training to the nation's youth. A $225 million program in 2002 is now being done away with so Bush can have more money for Iraq.

And i care why? ive only had three jobs two of which i had a hard time getting before he took office and the third was given to me by my grandfather. everyone i know has been having the same trouble looks like its just a cheap excuse to blame someone else.


7. He cut funding for 375,000 low income college students and reduced Pell Grnat amounts to such a severe degree that it effectively caused 84,000 students to no longer be eligiblefor Pell Grants. Pell amounts have been overall readuced for 1.5 million students...it's safe to say that the Bush daughters aren't eligible for financial aid, so this won't affect the oppulent lives of anyone Bush Jr. knows.

you know what i could not afford college at any rate. so again i dont care.



8. Withdrew from the international criminal court

I dont care.

9. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections.)

So what. Id have done the same thing.

10. All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for mose corporate campaign donations.

Sound pretty nice to me. Charity is wrong in your eyes? (by the way i dont care what his reason where)

11. The Bush administration had twice as many FBI agents fighting the drug war than fighting terrorism prior to 9/11. Even after 9/11, more than 2,000 FBI agents are wasting their valuable time assigned to the war on drugs.

well maybe there intel showed it was more important. I dont care! Thing is they made a call. A bad one but everyone makes mistakes.

12. His proposed "Free Trade" agreements would result in the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign markets and the exploitation of third world workers.

i Actually do care about this. but again he cant do anything without congress and senate backing him. So you need to blame other people too and not just the government but thsoe greedy companies.


13. John Ashcroft.

oh please

14. He has taken 11 official executive actions to undermine reproductive rights...how long will it be before a woman is stripped of her right to choose?

well im pro life. so i support him.


15. Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive."

His term aint up yet.

16. Wasted federal resources on a PR trip to Baghdad where he staged a Thanksgiving meal at 6am with troops that were screened based on their political affiliation. And the turkey? It was a prop.

got proof there captain propaganda?

17. His refusal to fire-or even reprimand-Lt. General Jerry "Our God is Bigger than Your God" Boykin. Perhaps it's because Boykin said of the president, "George Bush was not elected by a majority of voters in the United States. He was appointed by God. He's in the White House because God put him there."

im a christian i believe my god is bigger than all others. Of course i dont bash other religions and believe in freedom of religion but you know i agree with him.

18. After sending troops off to die in an unjust and unprovoked war, he still has yet to attend any soldiers' funeral.

well i doubt every president in the USA history went to every dead soldiers funerals.  And any war against evil is JUST and by the just being EVIL you PROVOKED it.


19. His shameless nepotism for the rich and powerful. Elizabeth Cheney (daughter of Ol' Dick) got hooked up with a cool gig at the state department where she was in charge of the $129 million Middle East Partnership Initiative and then was moved over to Daddy and Uncle Dubya's campaign payroll.

dont care


20. He dropped his dog on its head.

So i accidentily dropped my kitten after she bite me and i was startled. Oh how evil. Come on.

21. Bush Jr. is the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

So. Dont you think the early Presidents at the founding of the nations didnt have a little intoxications now and again. This isnt a viable argument to like the guy. everyone makes mistakes


22. Bush Jr. has set an all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people,) shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

So what. Most people are a bunch of mamby pamby sissies that liek to whine.



23. He slashed funding to the violence against women act.


hmmm havent heard about this. but like all those in the USA cutting corners where you can.




24. He has invaded and occupied two countries at the continuing cost of one billion dollars per week.

only two. Dont care i would have gone for more than that.



25. He has appointed Charles Pickering, a notorious segregationist from Mississippi, as a federal judge and suspiciously did so on Martin Luther King Day.

i dont care he still has to follow the law.

26. Bush has spent over $100 billion on Iraq, leaving states to face the largest budget crisis in decades and forced to cut off public services; now with the federal deficit at a new high Bush Jr. wants to award more tax breaks to the wealthy.

jeesh. you know were not rich nad we need those tax cuts the last ones helped alot. So i dont care.

27. Uner new Bush legislation (the Clear Skies Initiative,) power plants are allowed to emit triple the amount of highly-toxic mercury into the environment.

Do you know how many thing are poisoning us daily? A little more wont hurt.


28. Bush Jr. failed to protect 3 million acres of the Tongass National Forest from logging. The Tongass has the highest concentration of bald eagles on Earth and has already lost 700 square miles to logging with 33 more logging permits pending. Not even the sanctity of our endangered national bird can compete with Bush campaign contributions provided by the forest industry.

. i love nature and animals as much as the next guy but guess what hes not the only one to blame.


29. He is on pace to have taken more vacation than any president in history, including a 28-day vacation right before 9/11. Bush Jr. has taken 6 months of vacation in total...do you know anyone who gets 6 months of vacation?

So what. why do i care. do you know anyone who actually has a relaxing non-working vacation? I dont.


30. He pulled out of the Kyoto Agreement on global warming, which had been agreed upon by 178 other countries.

I dont care about this one either. I have seen so many scientists views on global warming i could scream and i dont know which ones to believe either.


31. Bush Jr. is endorsed by fundamentalist Pat Robertson who claims that God told him Bush will win re-election and that "It doesn't make a difference what Bush does because God is blessing him." Bush keeps some great company, but keep in mind Robertson was also the nitwit that blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and suggested that we "nuke" the U.S. State Department.

i endorse pat robertson too.

32. He set the record for most executions by any governor in American history. 152 in total; some of whom were mentally disabled.

so i a 100% for capital punishment


33. Has repeatedly stonewalled the public investigation into 9/11.

Dont care.


34. Bush Jr. failed to fully fund the AIDS Initiative after promising to do so. The fianl cuts that resulted were over $2 billion.

Aside from children born with the disease and the uneducated they deserve what they got. so i approve the cut to a degree.





35. He still suggests that homosexuals are "sinners" and is pushing legislation that would forbid gay partnerships and deny fundamental civil rights on a national and local level.

See being a christian and reading the bible says they are so i wonder why he thinks that. By the way i believe the same.


36. Choked on a pretzel and nearly lost his life while seated in front of a TV.

And. Ive choked before.


37. Bush Jr. has gone to great lengths to prevent investigations of his friends at Enron and Halliburton. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

well didnt some of those guys go to jail? So what.



38. Bush Jr. has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of television.

They would be lucky to get any from me.

39. Responsible for a $521 billion budget deficit-less than 4 years after inheriting a $200 billion surplus.

I doubt it was his fault alone.

40. He has made repeated attempts to legalize oil drilling in the National Wildlife Refuge.

well thats because we need the oil. If as you say we attack other nations for it, then it makes perfecst sense to use our own.

All you have offered is the same basic crap that comes up every election for every president for the last 100 years nothing you have said is new. Bash this guy bash that guy.  I have heard all of this before and if god came to me tomorrow and said all this is 100 % true and then some id still vote for him. And you know what alot of people are like that so stop trying to convince people.
Also remember i supprot alot of his descisions cause i would have done the same thing, so you cant convince me.






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Posted 23 September 2004 - 11:29 AM

wait.. I just *painfully* read your responses, we have a spell-check feature now, use it wink2.gif
anyway, I noticed that whenever something about bush affected you you said it was propaganda. And whenever something affected someone else you blatantly said you didnt give the sh**?
ever consider a political career?
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So what. Most people are a bunch of mamby pamby sissies that liek to whine.

No, I dont like to whine. I prefer to change things, nothing was ever changed by complaining.
oh, are you sure your *OLD* enough to vote? you mentioned your dad getting laid off.

Edited by Student&Alive, 23 September 2004 - 11:32 AM.

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:07 PM

I noticed the same thing.  It appears that, if all who vote for Bush are akin to Arashi Ravenblade, then a vote for Bush is because you don't give a damn.   rolleyes.gif

However, I expect more from those who do vote for Bush.  I don't expect them to just say they don't give a damn, even though Bush is screwing things up.

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:13 PM

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:40 PM

I thought about going point by point, but it's kinda pointless... He choked on a pretzel?? And that's a reason to not vote for him??  He dropped his dog on his head??  I remember hearing a lady say she voted for Clinton because he turned her on.

If these are the reasons people vote, it's no wonder we're in the state we're in.  It's wrong of me I know, but I wish these people who only consider the most superficial things important, weren't allowed to vote.

The whole thing is so nutty, the only thing I could think to add was that they forgot to mention he eats babies!!  Alex Jones gives a much more convincing argument to not vote for Bush for me, with video even, but then he's not left leaning... I'd like to see that political marriage lol.

The whole list is nutty.  If there was a good point, it got lost in the message of hate.


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Posted 02 October 2004 - 01:28 PM

There a couple of useful facts in there, but to me its not a message of hate. The guy asked a question, and you cant says bush has wonderful foreign policys, and EVERYONE knows iraq was about oil. Look at haliburton! There the ones, sending the majority of contracters to iraq.
Overall, since bush took office he has went, from being the person I would have voted for. To a greedy stupid(was there ever a smart one)moron. If you do vote, independent is the way to go. I dont think kerry would do that much of a better job, but hey. He's better than bush.

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Posted 02 October 2004 - 04:30 PM

NIce to see the american pblic seem to vote on important issues such as Health care, Unemployment, the economy, crime, social welfare, pension Funds, environment, public spending, public services , justice systems, defense... oh wait arashi doesnt care about any of that.

You said you were raised in a certain way pertaining to you voting for bush, what way was that to simply not care and just blindly vote for anyone & you wonder why europeans choose socialism over capitalism in every major european country.

Oh BTW your comment on AIDS sufferers was so ignorant , illeducated and offensive im actually going to report you to a mod over that one .



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Posted 02 October 2004 - 10:53 PM

wait.. wait a minute
you said you were pro-life,  are you a vegan?
"so i a 100% for capital punishment"
yeah, I think you just worship bush wink2.gif

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 02:00 AM

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Aside from children born with the disease and the uneducated they deserve what they got. so i approve the cut to a degree.


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I dont care.


Well some people do care...thank God for them... wub.gif And for you too, but get a 'clue' , got it  huh.gif


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