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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:41 PM

www.infowars.com said:

A bill already passed by the Senate and set to be rubber stamped by the House would make it mandatory for all new cars in the United States to be fitted with black box data recorders from 2015 onwards.

Section 31406 of Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21), calls for “Mandatory Event Data Recorders” to be installed in all new automobiles and legislates for civil penalties to be imposed against individuals for failing to do so.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:55 PM

The ultimate Big Brother scenario would be a system whereby every driver had to get de facto permission from the state to drive each time they get behind the wheel, once it had been determined from an iris scan that they were good citizens who have paid all their taxes and not misbehaved.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:13 PM

Looks like the value of a used car is going to go way up.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:22 PM

So like planes they'll be able to check the data and gather information in case of a crash right? Doesn't sound like a big deal.

Edited by Corp, 19 April 2012 - 04:23 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:52 PM

It may not sound like a big deal now but just wait.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:49 PM

The idea of cars recording you at all times is scary. That's what I call invasion of privacy. Of course, I'm sure there are cameras where I can't see them. And there are cameras in traffic; but to have a black box "recorder" in your car - that truly is Orwellian. It may be for the "safety" of people, as it would be so advertised, but let people look after themselves. If we can't handle the responsibility of looking after ourselves, then we don't deserve this Republic.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:54 PM

View PostCorp, on 19 April 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

So like planes they'll be able to check the data and gather information in case of a crash right? Doesn't sound like a big deal.
You're kidding, right?  You honestly think that's all they will be used for?  I'm with Hilander on this one... one used car for me please.
How about when you get cut off in traffic and utter a curse.  Maybe by that time, cursing will be deemed illegal too, just like in Demolition Man.  Then you'll need to take anger management classes and be issued one demerit on your driving record, insurance rates will go up or maybe even cancel you, it'll be broadcast on the Global Facebook that's keeping tabs on all of us, you won't get hired because you are a risk at job interviews, ... I could go on and on...

As John Spartan said in the movie, "Why don't you just shove a leash up my a@#?"


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:17 PM

Gone will be the days of "but officer, I wasn't speeding, honest!"
Progressive insurance has a similar system already that it uses to "help" it's customers with their rates.  A USB drive that tracks info about driving habits.  I haven't investigated it but I suspect that you have to allow them to download info after any accident so they know exactly how fast, when did you brake etc.  The black boxes will be a boon to law enforcement and especially insurance companies, I think.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:26 PM

Looks like I'll be driving my '49 MG a lot more.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

If this does not disturb you in a big way, then you need to take your head out of the sand and open your eyes. This is something that I never saw coming but now that I read it, it really comes as no surprise with this administration.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:09 PM

View PostMantis914, on 19 April 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

You're kidding, right?  You honestly think that's all they will be used for?  I'm with Hilander on this one... one used car for me please.
How about when you get cut off in traffic and utter a curse.  Maybe by that time, cursing will be deemed illegal too, just like in Demolition Man.  Then you'll need to take anger management classes and be issued one demerit on your driving record, insurance rates will go up or maybe even cancel you, it'll be broadcast on the Global Facebook that's keeping tabs on all of us, you won't get hired because you are a risk at job interviews, ... I could go on and on...

As John Spartan said in the movie, "Why don't you just shove a leash up my a@#?"

I see you've avoided the slipperly slope and decided just to jump off a cliff.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:29 PM

View PostHilander, on 19 April 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

It may not sound like a big deal now but just wait.
Hmm, imagine come inspection time once a year, at least that's how it is here, a black box law is enforced that the inspecting mechanic must hook up to your box and pull all data and send it in to the state. The state could then see every location you've been. All speed limits will be known for said locations and so will your speed. They'll know if you rolled through a stop sign. They'll know if you're hard on gas. You'll then get yearly fines in the mail for traffic violations and even penalties for "wasting" gas if you are smashing the pedal. It sound extreme, and it is. Yet it's entirely possible. Especially if Obama remains in office. Don't tell me it's too much effort to go through all this data. Computer programmers could easily write software to make it automatic. Violation found: Send fine. Dont even need humans until its time to arrest you for not paying up. Sure there are some good uses for black boxes but big government types won't be able to resist new ways to restrict your freedom and take your money.
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I'm not advocating reckless driving but even the most cautious drivers could be found guilty of dozens of violations a year if it gets that technical.


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Posted 20 April 2012 - 06:45 PM

View PostIs it for real, on 20 April 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

Hmm, imagine come inspection time once a year, at least that's how it is here, a black box law is enforced that the inspecting mechanic must hook up to your box and pull all data and send it in to the state. The state could then see every location you've been. All speed limits will be known for said locations and so will your speed. They'll know if you rolled through a stop sign. They'll know if you're hard on gas. You'll then get yearly fines in the mail for traffic violations and even penalties for "wasting" gas if you are smashing the pedal. It sound extreme, and it is. Yet it's entirely possible. Especially if Obama remains in office. Don't tell me it's too much effort to go through all this data. Computer programmers could easily write software to make it automatic. Violation found: Send fine. Dont even need humans until its time to arrest you for not paying up. Sure there are some good uses for black boxes but big government types won't be able to resist new ways to restrict your freedom and take your money.
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I'm not advocating reckless driving but even the most cautious drivers could be found guilty of dozens of violations a year if it gets that technical.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't tickets go to the driver and not the owner? So will the black boxes know who is driving?
It is the same with the cameras at traffic lights. They take a picture of your tag if you run the light. Then they send you a ticket in the mail. If I ever got one the first thing I'd say is that I wasn't driving. Unless they have a picture showing me driving they can pound sand. Of course this is easy for me to say since I don't drive much anymore.  :innocent:

Edited by Bama13, 20 April 2012 - 06:46 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 06:59 PM

View PostBama13, on 20 April 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't tickets go to the driver and not the owner? So will the black boxes know who is driving?
It is the same with the cameras at traffic lights. They take a picture of your tag if you run the light. Then they send you a ticket in the mail. If I ever got one the first thing I'd say is that I wasn't driving. Unless they have a picture showing me driving they can pound sand. Of course this is easy for me to say since I don't drive much anymore.  :innocent:


The problem there is that then your insurance rates will go way up for letting other drivers use your car... That or they will still find you negligent for letting your car get used to break the law (speed, etc)...

Danged if you do danged if you don't... I'm with It's For Real on this ... Way too much of a chance for government/corprate abuse on this one...


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Posted 20 April 2012 - 07:16 PM

I don't know how red light tickets work everywhere... But I know how they work in Chicago- and they send the ticket to the owner of the vehicle. If one wants to contest the ticket, they have to go in person to the courthouse and talk to the court about getting something done about the ticket. Pretty much all tickets stick to your insurance no matter who was driving.

Your ad hominem connotes your sciolism. Now that is some funny commentary.




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