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[MobiusX]

I've seen it in the movies that sometimes ghosts forget their death and are trapped in this world and they don't even know that they are dead. Is this true for real ghosts? What has caused them to forget their death and how can they remember it? What happens when they do? Accept that they are dead and move on to the afterlife? How is this usually accomplished? Btw, other post I created is not the same as this one, other one was based on the similarities of my disorder and ghosts, this one is not, my disorder is not part of the discussion.

[SolarPlexus]

I think this disembodied energy we call ghosts or poltergeists ends this way because it clings to this world (in other words it is unable to let go). There can be many a personal reason for this, call it "unfinished business". To move on one must no longer cling to anything of this world, people, places, emotions etc. I don't think its because they "forget their death". In Buddhism there is a lot of talk about "clinging" and how it is a primary cause of our suffering.

[ColoradoParanormal]

Well, I'm saying the fact that Ghosts are not scientifically proven and almost ALL cases of "hauntings" are able to be debunked and explained scientifically, I would tend to lean towards NO they don't forget they're dead my friend. Right now, as a whole, the field of Paranormal Research is in it's infant stages. We are simply trying to setup a standard of accepted research before we can start truly quantifying "ghosts" etc. So, for anyone whom says they're an investigator with actual proof of Ghosts are lying or seriously deceived.

[Taun]

The way I see it...

(assuming there are in fact ghosts... Which I am presently undecided on...)

I would think ghosts would be in one of two broad categories...

1.) Classic 'ghost': 'aware' of surroundings and has at least limited ability to interact with people and things... Ghosts that can communicate with the living, react to living presence,etc...

2.) Ghosts that merely reinact moments of their lives - with no 'awareness' of the living...

The 1st type are the ones that you usually see in movies, poltergeists, violent interaction,etc..  I supose that it is possible that they might not know that they are indeed dead - particularly if they died suddenly... Though you would think that after 50+ years (or so) of nothing changing, they would get the hint...

The 2nd type would not know they are dead, because they would not know anything... They would be more-or-less an infinitly repeating loop like movie of a bit of the past - most likely the emotion or energy of some traumatic moment trapped - not the soul - if that makes sense...

At least that is how I see the various types of 'ghostly phenomena' working...

(I don't consider orbs as paranormal at all - just my opinion)...

[_Only]

MobiusX, on 19 April 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

I've seen it in the movies that sometimes ghosts forget their death and are trapped in this world and they don't even know that they are dead. Is this true for real ghosts? What has caused them to forget their death and how can they remember it? What happens when they do? Accept that they are dead and move on to the afterlife? How is this usually accomplished? Btw, other post I created is not the same as this one, other one was based on the similarities of my disorder and ghosts, this one is not, my disorder is not part of the discussion.

I take what you said and think of it in the terms of a human spirit being stuck in the world they knew, as if nothing changed. All of the people in their world and life being memories of what people were, but no one is really there. There isn't a "there"; just the spirit in their own mind. In its own created world of what it knows. Call it a psychological state, a spiritual state, or both, in limbo. Like a dream.

I don't see how anyone here would be able to tell you in that case how a spirit would forget, remember, and move on from this limbo. Or if it is even a likely scenario. In theory, I guess the only one who would be able to figure out how to rise out of their situation would be the spirit, if it became ready. What would make it ready would be the question.

But if they would be able to shift from their "dream" to realize their real situation, I would tend to think that they would have to bypass their normal conscious thinking in the dream, to some unconscious, behind the curtains thought and feeling. Real thoughts and feelings that are blocked by the dream. Who knows how that behind the scenes consciousness might be accessed. Well, temporarily detaching from their current dream experience completely could be one way. Like deep meditation or sleep, putting all that you normally are behind, and just being.

But that is just my thoughts about that hypothetical situation; a person dying and not knowing it. It's interesting to think about, but is more or less a fantasy idea. Still fun to think about those kind of what ifs.

Edited by _Only, 19 April 2012 - 08:34 PM.

[ColoradoParanormal]

_Only, on 19 April 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

I take what you said and think of it in the terms of a human spirit being stuck in the world they knew, as if nothing changed. All of the people in their world and life being memories of what people were, but no one is really there. There isn't a "there"; just the spirit in their own mind. In its own created world of what it knows. Call it a psychological state, a spiritual state, or both, in limbo. Like a dream.

I don't see how anyone here would be able to tell you in that case how a spirit would forget, remember, and move on from this limbo. Or if it is even a likely scenario. In theory, I guess the only one who would be able to figure out how to rise out of their situation would be the spirit, if it became ready. What would make it ready would be the question.

But if they would be able to shift from their "dream" to realize their real situation, I would tend to think that they would have to bypass their normal conscious thinking in the dream, to some unconscious, behind the curtains thought and feeling. Real thoughts and feelings that are blocked by the dream. Who knows how that behind the scenes consciousness might be accessed. Well, temporarily detaching from their current dream experience completely could be one way. Like deep meditation or sleep, putting all that you normally are behind, and just being.

But that is just my thoughts about that hypothetical situation; a person dying and not knowing it. It's interesting to think about, but is more or less a fantasy idea. Still fun to think about those kind of what ifs.

Well said my friend.

[Hilander]

They may be perfectly aware they are dead but don't want to move on.

[nyuk]

Maybe in their state, nothing seems to have changed.
They could be reliving the same moments time after time.
Kinda like groundhog day....but worse

[ParanormalCamera]

I think ghosts are a form of energy and they also need your energy to manifest.

[coldethyl]

I take this is hypothetical because one would have to believe in ghosts to believe in a confused or lost one.

[_Only]

nyuk, on 25 April 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Maybe in their state, nothing seems to have changed.
They could be reliving the same moments time after time.
Kinda like groundhog day....but worse

I thought about this for awhile yesterday, and soon realized I would drive myself crazy if I continued, heh. Or at least get a decent headache.

Edited by _Only, 27 April 2012 - 05:13 AM.

[nyuk]

_Only, on 27 April 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

I thought about this for awhile yesterday, and soon realized I would drive myself crazy if I continued, heh. Or at least get a decent headache.

Happy to help