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Flibbertigibbet, on 23 April 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

That's the problem. It will have to be done by a skillful questioner. It's in his interests to deny being under the influence.

Skillful in what sense..if someone believes they are telling the truth, they will pass tests confirming they are telling the truth...

[quillius]

The Sky Scanner, on 23 April 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Not unless you make him take a lie detector test as well, to prove what he drank...ah, but they are not infalliable...back to square one I guess..

and what he ate, the time between drinks, the weather, psychological state of mind plus numerous other factors that could influence the 'severity' of alchohol.

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quillius, on 23 April 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

and what he ate, the time between drinks, the weather, psychological state of mind plus numerous other factors that could influence the 'severity' of alchohol.

Aye...that too!

[Flibbertigibbet]

The Sky Scanner, on 23 April 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Not unless you make him take a lie detector test as well, to prove what he drank...ah, but they are not infalliable...back to square one I guess..

How about talking to other guests at the party, witnesses. I bet no one's ever done that.

[quillius]

The Sky Scanner, on 23 April 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

Skillful in what sense..if someone believes they are telling the truth, they will pass tests confirming they are telling the truth...

its like a 'skillful' observer seeing a UFO and describing it as an alien craft...oh hang on we are told this is an 'appeal to authority'..


I wish soemone would decide on the rules of the game and stick to them  

Flibbertigibbet, on 23 April 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

How about talking to other guests at the party, witnesses. I bet no one's ever done that.

pointless, if they are soldiers also then they must also be 'drunk'on drugs' is that right?

[Flibbertigibbet]

quillius, on 23 April 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

and what he ate, the time between drinks, the weather, psychological state of mind plus numerous other factors that could influence the 'severity' of alchohol.

It could influence how drunk a person sounds or acts, but perhaps less so what they perceive.

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quillius, on 23 April 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

its like a 'skillful' observer seeing a UFO and describing it as an alien craft...oh hang on we are told this is an 'appeal to authority'..


I wish soemone would decide on the rules of the game and stick to them  



pointless, if they are soldiers also then they must also be 'drunk'on drugs' is that right?

It was an officers party.

[quillius]

Flibbertigibbet, on 23 April 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

It could influence how drunk a person sounds or acts, but perhaps less so what they perceive.

so now we can cherry pick the effects of alchohol to fit our 'solution'....lol dont think so.

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quillius, on 23 April 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

so now we can cherry pick the effects of alchohol to fit our 'solution'....lol dont think so.

Why not? You were cherry picking reasons to discount it.

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Flibbertigibbet, on 23 April 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

How about talking to other guests at the party, witnesses. I bet no one's ever done that.

Bruni interviewed more people then anyone else i'm aware of in this case, she put a great book together...I have no idea if she hit a wall in finding others at the party though.

Anyway, i've enjoyed these word games Flibbertigibbet ..but I have to get working for the moment..

[quillius]

Flibbertigibbet, on 23 April 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

It was an officers party.

so the talking to witnesses at the party who would be under the influence would be beneficial?!?!?! oh and what about the cover up???

  

Flibbertigibbet, on 23 April 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Why not? You were cherry picking reasons to discount it.

huh? show me where I cherry picked?

struggling?

[Flibbertigibbet]

The Sky Scanner, on 23 April 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Bruni interviewed more people then anyone else i'm aware of in this case, she put a great book together...I have no idea if she hit a wall in finding others at the party though.

Anyway, i've enjoyed these word games Flibbertigibbet ..but I have to get working for the moment..

Maybe she didn't try interviewing them, as they weren't witnesses to the "UFO".

Ok bye

[Sky Scanner]

quillius, on 23 April 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

its like a 'skillful' observer seeing a UFO and describing it as an alien craft...oh hang on we are told this is an 'appeal to authority'..


I wish soemone would decide on the rules of the game and stick to them  

No no no..it doesn't count when that happens - didn't you get the memo

[Flibbertigibbet]

quillius, on 23 April 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

so the talking to witnesses at the party who would be under the influence would be beneficial?!?!?! oh and what about the cover up???

  



huh? show me where I cherry picked?

struggling?

Just like you did above, finding reasons to discount their testimony even before you have any idea what it might be, such as using the cover up. I wonder what you would say if they all said he was dead sober all night?

[Englishgent]

Flibbertigibbet, on 23 April 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

I said alcohol or drugs. I think alcohol is more likely.

Ok. Now you have reduced the possibility to alcohol rather than drugs.
Certain drugs can cause hallucinations. Not all drugs have this effect.
Alcohol seldom makes you hallucinate. The other thing to mention is that you can be under the influence of alcohol but when an incident occurs it is actually surprising how quickly you can sober up mentally.
So, let's assume, for arguments sake, that every single one of the witnesses was under the influence of alcohol to some degree or another (which is most unlikely given that some were on duty at the time) and they were not hallucinating, as it was not hallucinagenic drugs they were on, the description of the lights they saw could not possibly match those of reflected, or even direct light from a lighthouse, where does this leave your theory now?

edit,,,,typos

Edited by Englishgent, 23 April 2012 - 11:26 AM.