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[Diablo Blanco]

I stumbled accross this website a while back and thought it is worth sharing on this forum.

http://www.solarmyth.../christ2002.htm

[Diablo Blanco]

The Scales of Justice
After the harvest the sun moves from Virgo into Libra, the Scales. (September). These are the "Scales of Justice." The harvest has been gathered, it is now time to sell the harvest. Scales are used in buying and selling the harvest. At the end of harvest time, when there is nothing left to sell, the money changers pack up and leave. The Bible says, “Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers.” (Mark 11:12-19; Matthew 21:12) Jesus, the sun, representing the passage of time, moves out of Libra, the Scales of Justice, and the money changers pack up and leave, because the season has passed and they are finished selling the harvest.

As we enter the season of Autumn the leaves fall from the trees and the trees appear to wither. It is at this point in the story that Jesus is said to curse the fig tree and make it wither, a story which makes no sense if Jesus were a real person, but it makes perfect sense when understood as an allegory. It is simply Autumn, and Jesus, the sun, who makes the seasons pass, causes the leaves to fall from the trees (Mark 11:20-25; Matthew 21:18-22)


In the Jesus story we then have the Last Supper, where Jesus and his twelve disciples, a reference to the twelve zodiac months of the year, recline and eat the harvest. (Mark 14:12-26; Matthew 26:17-30; Luke 22:7-38) This is the natural time of year to have a huge feast. In America we celebrate Thanksgiving and have a huge feast of food. We eat the flesh of the fruit—figuratively the flesh of Jesus, who personifies the sun which make the fruit grow; and we drink wine—the blood of the grapes, figuratively the blood of Jesus, who personifies the sun which made the grapes grow. Without this food we would perish.

Note that food and drink are literally the elements which sustains life. When we participate in the Communion ritual in church we eat bread, figuratively the body of Jesus, and drink wine (or grape juice), figuratively the blood of Jesus, because food and drink are literally the elements which sustains life. It is the sun which makes plants grow so we can have food to eat and wine to drink. We personify the sun as Jesus and then give thanks to Jesus (the sun) for our food and drink. The harvest is our salvation.

[Paranoid Android]

Hazrus, on 22 April 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

In the Jesus story we then have the Last Supper, where Jesus and his twelve disciples, a reference to the twelve zodiac months of the year

Or more likely a reference to the twelve tribes of Israel (it was customary for Rabbi's in 1st Century Rome to have 12 close associates, one representing each tribe).

I could go into greater detail, but I've recently lost interest in continuously repeating the same things over and over.  As a rule of thumb, if a claim is made about a particular deity and its relationship to Jesus (eg, Horus or Mithras, being two examples only) - email an historian specialised in that field of study and ask them about it.  

I've done that, the answer's are rarely in line with the solar myth or copycat messiah theories.

~ Regards,

[Jor-el]

Paranoid Android, on 22 April 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Or more likely a reference to the twelve tribes of Israel (it was customary for Rabbi's in 1st Century Rome to have 12 close associates, one representing each tribe).

I could go into greater detail, but I've recently lost interest in continuously repeating the same things over and over.  As a rule of thumb, if a claim is made about a particular deity and its relationship to Jesus (eg, Horus or Mithras, being two examples only) - email an historian specialised in that field of study and ask them about it.  

I've done that, the answer's are rarely in line with the solar myth or copycat messiah theories.

~ Regards,

[markdohle]

Paranoid Android, on 22 April 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Or more likely a reference to the twelve tribes of Israel (it was customary for Rabbi's in 1st Century Rome to have 12 close associates, one representing each tribe).

I could go into greater detail, but I've recently lost interest in continuously repeating the same things over and over.  As a rule of thumb, if a claim is made about a particular deity and its relationship to Jesus (eg, Horus or Mithras, being two examples only) - email an historian specialised in that field of study and ask them about it.  

I've done that, the answer's are rarely in line with the solar myth or copycat messiah theories.

~ Regards,

Thank you, I am so tired of the nonsense, when all that is needed is for a little more digging and study.

Peace
Mark

[Beckys_Mom]

Hazrus, on 21 April 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

I stumbled accross this website a while back and thought it is worth sharing on this forum.

http://www.solarmyth.../christ2002.htm

From your link....

Ancient People Looked At The Stars
In ancient times people were very familiar with the Sun and the stars. At night they had nothing better to do than gaze up at the stars. They didn't conquer darkness with the flip of a light switch like we do nowadays. When sunset came that was it—that was the end of the day.
They observed how the stars move across the sky during the night, and how different constellations are visible at different times of the year.
They made up stories which were allegories based on what they saw. ....Later on, these stories took on a life of their own, as the stories were passed down from generation to generation but the knowledge of what the stories represented was lost.

People started believing the stories were real and actual history of events that actually really happened in the past, when originally the stories were nothing more than allegories for what people saw happening in the stars

It's not surprising in our present culture of digital watches and wall calendars that we've lost the original astronomical meaning of these Bible stories. Today most people never look at the stars or pay any attention to the position of the sun in the sky
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I have only begun to read  this from the link you provide and it caught my eye..I have heard of this before.. and I once held a keen interest in the stars

Good thread  very  interesting.... I'll be back  to read more...  

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 22 April 2012 - 10:27 PM.

[Diablo Blanco]

I will stick with the Solar myth explanation as it makes more sense than to take literally what is written in the bible.

[Diablo Blanco]

Thank you BM, I will post some more Solar connections to this thread. If you have the chance check out this chapter from a Great book: http://www.masseiana..._worship.htm#IX

I believe this link thouroughly explains the 'Knowledge of Good and Evil', and the work of the six days.

[Jor-el]

Hazrus, on 22 April 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

I will stick with the Solar myth explanation as it makes more sense than to take literally what is written in the bible.

If your particular slant is celestial phenomena then you should take the time to read The Witness of the Stars by E. W. Bullinger.

Your ideas are reflected quite clearly in Zeitgeist Part I: The Greatest Story Ever Told, which relies on false information for many of its claims.

If you prefer to believe what is clearly false, who am I to convince you otherwise. I'll leave you with a debunking of said documentary, which pretty much includes everything on the site you linked to.

skeptic project.com

Web SkepticResearching outrageous claims on the internet

[Diablo Blanco]

Jor-el, on 22 April 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

If your particular slant is celestial phenomena then you should take the time to read The Witness of the Stars by E. W. Bullinger.

Your ideas are reflected quite clearly in Zeitgeist Part I: The Greatest Story Ever Told, which relies on false information for many of its claims.

If you prefer to believe what is clearly false, who am I to convince you otherwise. I'll leave you with a debunking of said documentary, which pretty much includes everything on the site you linked to.

skeptic project.com

Web SkepticResearching outrageous claims on the internet

And if you prefer to believe in fairytales and continue to be an enforcer of your own oppression then by all means be my guest. Jesus IS the Sun, get over it.


There are numerous scriptures which suggest Jesus represents the Sun.
John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world." (The "light of the world" is the Sun.)
John 9:5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world. (The "light of the world" is the Sun.)
Matthew 4:16 The people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned." (The light is the Sun)
Matthew 17:2 His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
John 1:3-8 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (Without the Sun nothing would grow and we'd all be dead.) In him was life, and that life was the light of men. (The light is the Sun.) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it (the Sun removes the darkness). There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He [John] came as a witness to testify concerning that light (the Sun), so that through him all men might believe. He [John] himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light (the Sun) that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
John 3:19-20 This is the verdict: Light (the Sun) has come into the world, but men loved darkness (night time) instead of light (the Sun) because their deeds were evil (criminals do their crimes at night). Everyone who does evil hates the light (the Sun), and will not come into the light (the Sun) for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
John 12:35-36 Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light (the light is the Sun) just a little while longer (the Sun will set soon). Walk while you have the light (the light is the Sun), before darkness (night time) overtakes you. The man who walks in the dark (at night) does not know where he is going. Put your trust in the light (the light is the Sun) while you have it, so that you may become sons of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them (i.e. the sun set, because Jesus is the Sun).
John 12:46 I have come into the world as a light (the Sun), so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Ephesians 5:14 Christ (the Sun) will shine on you.
Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven (the celestial sphere above); from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ (the Sun). (i.e. we should look upwards to the celestial sphere above to find our story.)
Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (i.e. the story is about the passage of the year.)

The Old Testament also talks about God as being the Sun
Psalms 84:11 "the Lord God is a sun..."
Deuteronomy 4:24 "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire," (the Sun is a consuming fire.)
Malachi 4:2 "the Sun of Righteousness..."
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

[Beckys_Mom]

Hazrus, on 22 April 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

Thank you BM, I will post some more Solar connections to this thread. If you have the chance check out this chapter from a Great book: http://www.masseiana..._worship.htm#IX

I believe this link thouroughly explains the 'Knowledge of Good and Evil', and the work of the six days.

Thats  one heck of a link.. More like an entire book  lol.. I have no time to read the entire thing.... Are there any highlights of  the link you  feel  that need to be seen?  If so  can you copy and paste them  here?


Cheers

[Jor-el]

Hazrus, on 23 April 2012 - 02:59 AM, said:

And if you prefer to believe in fairytales and continue to be an enforcer of your own oppression then by all means be my guest. Jesus IS the Sun, get over it.


There are numerous scriptures which suggest Jesus represents the Sun.
John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world." (The "light of the world" is the Sun.)
John 9:5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world. (The "light of the world" is the Sun.)
Matthew 4:16 The people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned." (The light is the Sun)
Matthew 17:2 His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
John 1:3-8 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (Without the Sun nothing would grow and we'd all be dead.) In him was life, and that life was the light of men. (The light is the Sun.) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it (the Sun removes the darkness). There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He [John] came as a witness to testify concerning that light (the Sun), so that through him all men might believe. He [John] himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light (the Sun) that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
John 3:19-20 This is the verdict: Light (the Sun) has come into the world, but men loved darkness (night time) instead of light (the Sun) because their deeds were evil (criminals do their crimes at night). Everyone who does evil hates the light (the Sun), and will not come into the light (the Sun) for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
John 12:35-36 Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light (the light is the Sun) just a little while longer (the Sun will set soon). Walk while you have the light (the light is the Sun), before darkness (night time) overtakes you. The man who walks in the dark (at night) does not know where he is going. Put your trust in the light (the light is the Sun) while you have it, so that you may become sons of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them (i.e. the sun set, because Jesus is the Sun).
John 12:46 I have come into the world as a light (the Sun), so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Ephesians 5:14 Christ (the Sun) will shine on you.
Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven (the celestial sphere above); from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ (the Sun). (i.e. we should look upwards to the celestial sphere above to find our story.)
Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (i.e. the story is about the passage of the year.)

The Old Testament also talks about God as being the Sun
Psalms 84:11 "the Lord God is a sun..."
Deuteronomy 4:24 "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire," (the Sun is a consuming fire.)
Malachi 4:2 "the Sun of Righteousness..."
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

I think you have clearly demonstrated my case for me... thank you.

[Setton]

Interesting idea but one thing jumps out at me:

Why say he rose again after three days? If Jesus represents the Sun, why does the story not say he rose the following day?

[Jor-el]

Setton, on 23 April 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

Interesting idea but one thing jumps out at me:

Why say he rose again after three days? If Jesus represents the Sun, why does the story not say he rose the following day?

Or how about dying everyday and rising every morning...

[The Id3al Experience]

I beleive the 3 day thing for jesus to rise was something to do with the path of the sun, in a certain month the way the sun moves can appear to drop and rasie over the course.

I am not to sure if this is correct tho.

This is what is off the doco Zeitgeist Part I: The Greatest Story Ever Told.