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#1    Flibbertigibbet

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:44 PM

When the human race was young spirits were legion and numberless, and controlled every aspect of life and nature. Later this changed, and in the classical civilisations we have a dozen or so named gods with distinct personalities elevated above the myriad spirits and accorded special status. Later still these were whittled down to just one, with the others demoted to be his helpers. So from an uncountable multitude we went to a dozen or so, then one, and the next logical stage was none at all, or atheism. Perhaps these are all natural stages in our evolution and progression as a species. What's next?


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:50 PM

We're already at "next".

It's called 'humanism', where we are our own god.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:19 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 22 April 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

We're already at "next".

It's called 'humanism', where we are our own god.

I have a feeling it's going full cycle, and the next stage after that will be a type of revamped animism. Maybe it'll have a different name, like environmentalism.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:38 PM

Meism.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:22 PM

View PostFlibbertigibbet, on 22 April 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

I have a feeling it's going full cycle, and the next stage after that will be a type of revamped animism. Maybe it'll have a different name, like environmentalism.

Well, that would be nice.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:01 PM

View PostFlibbertigibbet, on 22 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

When the human race was young spirits were legion and numberless, and controlled every aspect of life and nature. Later this changed, and in the classical civilisations we have a dozen or so named gods with distinct personalities elevated above the myriad spirits and accorded special status. Later still these were whittled down to just one, with the others demoted to be his helpers. So from an uncountable multitude we went to a dozen or so, then one, and the next logical stage was none at all, or atheism. Perhaps these are all natural stages in our evolution and progression as a species. What's next?
What's next is the revelation that we have not been able to find god because we are looking at it in the mirror.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:36 AM

Watch out, PA thinks this line of thinking is insulting.  I tried telling him the same when it came to growth, he took it as an insult.   :hmm:

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:03 AM

View PostMeiliken, on 23 April 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

Watch out, PA thinks this line of thinking is insulting.  I tried telling him the same when it came to growth, he took it as an insult.   :hmm:


Perhaps you did not mean to be insulting then, but calling him out here in a different topic is nothing but insulting and low, and there is no need for it.

Edited by Odin11, 23 April 2012 - 05:05 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:08 AM

View PostOdin11, on 23 April 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

Perhaps you did not mean to be insulting then, but calling him out here in a different topic is nothing but insulting and low, and there is no need for it.


Actually it isn't.  It is giving fair warning to the OP and anyone that posts in here. :no:

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:13 AM

View PostFlibbertigibbet, on 22 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

When the human race was young spirits were legion and numberless, and controlled every aspect of life and nature. Later this changed, and in the classical civilisations we have a dozen or so named gods with distinct personalities elevated above the myriad spirits and accorded special status. Later still these were whittled down to just one, with the others demoted to be his helpers. So from an uncountable multitude we went to a dozen or so, then one, and the next logical stage was none at all, or atheism. Perhaps these are all natural stages in our evolution and progression as a species. What's next?


Or, respectfully, we have become so self aware that we naturally assume WE are god, just as Leonardo has stated.  Even though we have answers for an infinitesimally few of our questions.  I think it is a natural evolution in the sense that we have become "puffed up" with our pitiable cache of knowledge and therefore we have brought truth to Paul's statement to the Romans -  Romans 1:22:Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
As a species we choose our own wisdom over what has been provided by God.  Once the dust settles on our last great war against each other, God will return to enforce His will on the remnant.  If He didn't we would perish.  Proof of this is that it is written that humanity will attempt to make war with God Himself.  
Considering the direction the world is heading in and the weapons we have at our disposal, I don't find those predictions too difficult to believe in.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:21 AM

This line of thinking is problematic. It suggests that one type of belief is "more advanced" or "more evolved" than another. It suggests that one is more logical than another or that certain types of thoughts a "primitve." There is a lot of error in this type of thinking and many "primitive" religions seem much more logical than modern religions or methods of reasoning. And by the way this does not follow Darwin's theory of evolution unless you are using evolution in a different sense.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:01 AM

View Postand then, on 23 April 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

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Or, respectfully, we have become so self aware that we naturally assume WE are god, just as Leonardo has stated.  Even though we have answers for an infinitesimally few of our questions.  I think it is a natural evolution in the sense that we have become "puffed up" with our pitiable cache of knowledge and therefore we have brought truth to Paul's statement to the Romans -  Romans 1:22:Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
As a species we choose our own wisdom over what has been provided by God.  Once the dust settles on our last great war against each other, God will return to enforce His will on the remnant.  If He didn't we would perish.  Proof of this is that it is written that humanity will attempt to make war with God Himself.  
Considering the direction the world is heading in and the weapons we have at our disposal, I don't find those predictions too difficult to believe in.

I could quote "scriptures" from different religions that contradicted that, though.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:03 AM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 23 April 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

This line of thinking is problematic. It suggests that one type of belief is "more advanced" or "more evolved" than another. It suggests that one is more logical than another or that certain types of thoughts a "primitve." There is a lot of error in this type of thinking and many "primitive" religions seem much more logical than modern religions or methods of reasoning. And by the way this does not follow Darwin's theory of evolution unless you are using evolution in a different sense.

The "primitive" ones could be the better ones, and we have degenerated since then.

I never said anything about Darwin, who doesn't have a monopoly on evolution.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:15 AM

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The "primitive" ones could be the better ones, and we have degenerated since then.

I never said anything about Darwin, who doesn't have a monopoly on evolution.

You implied an "evolution" and did not state that ealier stages may have been "better." You did not say anything about Darwin but you also did not explain the term "evolution." There are many types of evolution and if you are going to use the term you should specify your definition or the theorist of whoms definition you are using. E. B. Tyler, who defined animism, used a totally different definition of evolution, the definition that Charles Lyell used. I do not want to put claims into your mouth but it might help to define what you mean better.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:20 AM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 23 April 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

You implied an "evolution" and did not state that ealier stages may have been "better." You did not say anything about Darwin but you also did not explain the term "evolution." There are many types of evolution and if you are going to use the term you should specify your definition or the theorist of whoms definition you are using. E. B. Tyler, who defined animism, used a totally different definition of evolution, the definition that Charles Lyell used. I do not want to put claims into your mouth but it might help to define what you mean better.

Evolution is a perfectly normal English word and doesn't need to be defined and restricted in terms of any particular theories. Everything evolves, including, say, fashion. That's got nothing to do with Darwin.





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