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#1    danbell06

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:27 AM

I just found this video and i believe this to be quite compelling.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:44 AM

Ok, your video isn't showing up.

....at least I can't see it.

Edited by keninsc, 24 April 2012 - 03:44 AM.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:54 AM

M.K.Davis Looks at the Posterior of the Patterson Bigfoot

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:58 AM

View Postdanbell06, on 24 April 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

I just found this video and i believe this to be quite compelling.
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It is still a man in a suit......

You can take any video clip and lasso and contrast it to make anything appear......

When you have to start enhancing, and mutilating video / audio evidence to attempt to " prove " it is the real deal, it is really time to throw in the towel.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:17 AM

View PostSakari, on 24 April 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

It is still a man in a suit......

You can take any video clip and lasso and contrast it to make anything appear......

When you have to start enhancing, and mutilating video / audio evidence to attempt to " prove " it is the real deal, it is really time to throw in the towel.


As M.K Davis says, "Nah this isn't a suit thats worn. It's a birthday suit!".

But i suppose we'll never truly know if this was a birthday suit or a costume. I personally believe it to be one of, if not the only, piece of footage showing an actual Bigfoot.  :yes:

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:55 AM

View Postdanbell06, on 24 April 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

As M.K Davis says, "Nah this isn't a suit thats worn. It's a birthday suit!".

But i suppose we'll never truly know if this was a birthday suit or a costume. I personally believe it to be one of, if not the only, piece of footage showing an actual Bigfoot.  :yes:



I have debated, and read hours upon hours of threads on the Patterson film........I urge you to search those threads and really read them with a open mind.Check the links and material suggested also.

No offense, but this did not change my mind, and I am not debating it anymore unless something valid and substantial ever comes up...........


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:45 AM

View PostSakari, on 24 April 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

I have debated, and read hours upon hours of threads on the Patterson film........I urge you to search those threads and really read them with a open mind.Check the links and material suggested also.

No offense, but this did not change my mind, and I am not debating it anymore unless something valid and substantial ever comes up...........


Hint....Nothing will.

None taken    :cry:  

It's your opinion.

I believed in bigfoot long before seeing this video (the M.K Davis breakdown) and it has done nothing but strengthen my view.
However, I'm not going to try and force my views onto you just because i think its a good breakdown, because you dont believe any substantial evidence will ever be attained. So, in reality i'm flogging a dead horse.  <_<

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:11 AM

View PostSakari, on 24 April 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

I have debated, and read hours upon hours of threads on the Patterson film........I urge you to search those threads and really read them with a open mind.Check the links and material suggested also.

No offense, but this did not change my mind, and I am not debating it anymore unless something valid and substantial ever comes up...........


Hint....Nothing will.

Sakari, I've got something new AND substantial with the Patterson film bro, this WILL blow you're mind! Listen to the IMMEDIATE sentence the narrator says. He says their test PROVES the mobility and walk is "Outside the realm of human possibility."



BOOM! I JUST SINGLE HANDEDLY BLEW THIS CASE WIDE OPEN! IT'S REAL!!! lol oh wait, nevermind it was just a person in an ape suit. I've read a bunch on this as well and have viewed the previous threads on here. I completely agree with you Sakari but, just wanted to throw some humor your way and whoever may read this :yes::rofl:


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:30 AM

View Postdanbell06, on 24 April 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

None taken    :cry:  

It's your opinion.

I believed in bigfoot long before seeing this video (the M.K Davis breakdown) and it has done nothing but strengthen my view.
However, I'm not going to try and force my views onto you just because i think its a good breakdown, because you dont believe any substantial evidence will ever be attained. So, in reality i'm flogging a dead horse.  <_<
Interesting, I have to admit that I've seen so many things done to this particular film over the years, and yet this is actually new to me. Superficially I can see where it might well make you until, you stop and consider something else within his own video. He compares a very hairy man with his contrasted imagery and that's all well and good however, the patterns are due to wear, sitting, standing, walking. Ok, so in order for the hair to be worn down on the back then you need to consider that the alleged would be sitting in much the same things as the man.......a chair with a back on it. Now why do I say that? Simple. The hair is wore back on the sides of the spine and not on the spine itself which is what you'd have if the Biggy was sitting say, against a round tree trunk or stump. The pattern would be different, not the same. While I don't have anything positive to point to and say, "See, that's a guy in a suit." The evidence presented would tend to support a guy in a suit who was sitting in a chair while wearing it. Unless someone has evidence that Bigfoots have furniture, I'd have to say the evidence actually would support a guy in a suit and a used one at that.

This would be an excellent example of a man's belief being the driving force behind his definitions of what he's seeing, rather than what he's seeing speaking for itself.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:05 PM

View PostColoradoParanormal, on 24 April 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

Sakari, I've got something new AND substantial with the Patterson film bro, this WILL blow you're mind! Listen to the IMMEDIATE sentence the narrator says. He says their test PROVES the mobility and walk is "Outside the realm of human possibility."



BOOM! I JUST SINGLE HANDEDLY BLEW THIS CASE WIDE OPEN! IT'S REAL!!! lol oh wait, nevermind it was just a person in an ape suit. I've read a bunch on this as well and have viewed the previous threads on here. I completely agree with you Sakari but, just wanted to throw some humor your way and whoever may read this :yes::rofl:

Later, another Animal Planet show claimed, using another human model and different scientists, that the gate was indeed humanly possible. That's how the PGF goes...and goes...and goes :)

Edited by QuiteContrary, 24 April 2012 - 04:06 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

Below is a screenshot of the frame used in the OP video, prior to the contrast being altered.


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If you notice the sole of the foot is amazingly white and yet where the toes should be it is as black as the fur, in a similar way to the image below. (Which is a cropped photo of a baby in a gorilla suit)

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I know that the soles of the human foot are usually paler than the rest of the body, but then so are the toes. I would find it a little strange if Bigfoot an alleged Primate/Hominid would have a white sole and black toes while those of other Primates/Hominids are fairly uniform in colour.

Just one of the many reasons I don't hold the Patterson footage in such high regards.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:03 PM

When it comes to Bigfoot - people see what they want to see. This is more of the same. Let's not forget that M.K. Davis was the key figure in one of Bigfootery's most ridiculous claims in recent years - the infamous BIGFOOT MASSACRE AT BLUFF CREEK episode:

Bigfoot Massacre Theorist, John Green & Coverup - It appears, despite the apologies and retirement statements of one-time admired Bigfooter M. K. Davis, he is back at it again.

He is “seeing” things in the various Bluff Creek area films (the Patterson-Gimlin footage and footage that John Green and Rene Dahinden used in their speaking engagements about the event) that few others see. It looks like this may have to be a topic here for a few days to fully reveal the new fantasies now occurring.

Did you know that the “killing field” scenario now involves “Sasquatch skin,” “a bloody leg,” and “baying dogs,” to name a few other incredible items that Davis has pointed out? And John Green now has been pulled into this mess and is being accused of a cover-up of the killing of Bigfoot.



Bigfoot Massacre Mess Ends Decade - All of this earlier this year called for a formal rebuttal from John Green, as frequent readers of Cryptomundo know. Green was placed in the uncomfortable position of defending against rumors that he was involved, in some fashion, with hiding “murders,” despite the fact he was at Bluff Creek in the summer, not the fall (in 1967). And despite the fact that Davis, Paulides, and others are unexplainably seeing red blood and people there that weren’t there.


It is more interesting to follow the trail of the Bigfooters – who supports the claims of Davis (like David Paulides who is a player/promoter in the latest ongoing Bigfoot DNA claims) and who opposes those claims (like the BFRO’s Matt Moneymaker from Finding Bigfoot). There are some big political power-plays going on within the world of Bigfoot Research lately. Definite sides are taking shape - all jostling for a bigger slice of the pie. Who will win? Certainly not science.

Yet Bigfoot will endure within people's hearts and minds because it remains a great story...

Edited by Night Walker, 24 April 2012 - 11:05 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:34 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 24 April 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Later, another Animal Planet show claimed, using another human model and different scientists, that the gate was indeed humanly possible. That's how the PGF goes...and goes...and goes :)

Awe c'mon! You mean I didn't find the one key piece of evidence?! SHOOT! j/k Yea, as I've said elsewhere, the shows on TV are as credible as claims from Youtube :o)


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:40 AM

View PostNight Walker, on 24 April 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

When it comes to Bigfoot - people see what they want to see. This is more of the same. Let's not forget that M.K. Davis was the key figure in one of Bigfootery's most ridiculous claims in recent years - the infamous BIGFOOT MASSACRE AT BLUFF CREEK episode:

Bigfoot Massacre Theorist, John Green & Coverup - It appears, despite the apologies and retirement statements of one-time admired Bigfooter M. K. Davis, he is back at it again.

He is “seeing” things in the various Bluff Creek area films (the Patterson-Gimlin footage and footage that John Green and Rene Dahinden used in their speaking engagements about the event) that few others see. It looks like this may have to be a topic here for a few days to fully reveal the new fantasies now occurring.

Did you know that the “killing field” scenario now involves “Sasquatch skin,” “a bloody leg,” and “baying dogs,” to name a few other incredible items that Davis has pointed out? And John Green now has been pulled into this mess and is being accused of a cover-up of the killing of Bigfoot.



Bigfoot Massacre Mess Ends Decade - All of this earlier this year called for a formal rebuttal from John Green, as frequent readers of Cryptomundo know. Green was placed in the uncomfortable position of defending against rumors that he was involved, in some fashion, with hiding “murders,” despite the fact he was at Bluff Creek in the summer, not the fall (in 1967). And despite the fact that Davis, Paulides, and others are unexplainably seeing red blood and people there that weren’t there.


It is more interesting to follow the trail of the Bigfooters – who supports the claims of Davis (like David Paulides who is a player/promoter in the latest ongoing Bigfoot DNA claims) and who opposes those claims (like the BFRO’s Matt Moneymaker from Finding Bigfoot). There are some big political power-plays going on within the world of Bigfoot Research lately. Definite sides are taking shape - all jostling for a bigger slice of the pie. Who will win? Certainly not science.

Yet Bigfoot will endure within people's hearts and minds because it remains a great story...

This is one aspect of bigfootery that fascinates me. I would love to see how much pie/income the combined bigfoot industry generates annually. Including movies, books TV shows, tourism, bigfoot field expeditions, lecturing, conventions, videos, t shirts, etc.

With all the money to be made its no wonder that the story of bigfoot will not die.

Edited by evancj, 25 April 2012 - 12:42 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:20 AM

That's a question I'd like to an answer to as well. I've done some goggling on it but the term "Bigfoot" is used so often it's hard to get any sort of hard line on monies it generates. Then too, a guy selling tee shirts at a Bigfoot "Convention" is probably not reporting his cash sales......but he most likely never misses a convention.

However, I have noticed there seem to be no end of "documentaries", TV specials and tie ins to various shows on the subject so it must be doing ok or they wouldn't be making more.

Maybe I'm doing this all wrong. Maybe I should become the all knowing expert on TV, and just rake in the dollars.





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