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[Bogeyman]

I'm putting this in the Philosophy forum because as this Scientist explains it , it's all tied in together.
Anyway this guy is no crank or amateur pseudo scientist, he's widely recognised as one of the Worlds leading scientists. According to him things only make sense if there is a consciousness that is separate to the physical....a radical theory that's being challenged widely but if anyone's got the credentials to gain credibility this guy has....check it out

http://www.robertlanzabiocentrism.com/


From the Huffington post :

Robert Lanza was taken under the wing of scientific giants such as psychologist B.F. Skinner, immunologist Jonas Salk, and heart transplant pioneer Christiaan Barnard. His mentors described him as a ‘genius,’ a ‘renegade thinker,’ even likening him to Einstein himself." - US News & World Report, cover story.

Dr. Robert Lanza is considered one of the leading scientists in the world. He is currently Chief Scientific Officer at Advanced Cell Technology, and a professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine. He has several hundred publications and inventions, and over two dozen scientific books: among them, Principles of Tissue Engineering, which is recognized as the definitive reference in the field. Others include One World: The Health & Survival of the Human Species in the 21st Century (Foreword by President Jimmy Carter), and the Handbook of Stem Cells and Essentials of Stem Cell Biology, which are considered the definitive references in stem cell research.

Edited by Bogeyman, 24 April 2012 - 08:12 AM.

[Rlyeh]

I wonder if he's up for an experiment to verify whether he can die or not.

[PsiSeeker]

To me this just looks like a variant of the anthropological concept that our reality has to be the way it is for us to be there.  To my knowledge there has been only one proposal of a theory proven true by use of this argument.  I.e "It HAS to be this otherwise we wouldn't be here."  The theory had something to do with the sun and hydrogen or helium energy binding levels or whatever, the details escape me.

[mattryan209]

Man,that guy is way too smart for me.I can't even understand his hypothesis of why we don't die in any of those articles in that link.

[PsiSeeker]

mattryan209, on 26 April 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Man,that guy is way too smart for me.I can't even understand his hypothesis of why we don't die in any of those articles in that link.

His theory loosely spins on the idea that reality is there as a result of your mind.  In other words at every single moment where there is a possibility for your perception then it has to exist.  Your mind spawns the reality around it.  So even though you may die over here in this reality.  According to your subjective perception it doesn't come to pass as you just instantly spawn some new reality to hold your consciousness.

In my opinion this is ridiculous.  The mind is a result of reality not the other way around.

[StarMountainKid]

In my view this is just another philosophical theory created in someone's imagination. I also think he interpenetrates quantum mechanics to bolster his hypothesis. In the end I think it's just someone's opinion, credentials notwithstanding.

[mattryan209]

PsiSeeker, on 27 April 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

His theory loosely spins on the idea that reality is there as a result of your mind.  In other words at every single moment where there is a possibility for your perception then it has to exist.  Your mind spawns the reality around it.  So even though you may die over here in this reality.  According to your subjective perception it doesn't come to pass as you just instantly spawn some new reality to hold your consciousness.

In my opinion this is ridiculous.  The mind is a result of reality not the other way around.

Thanks for the clarification.Yeah that theory does seem ridiculous.From reading the first article in the link which explains his hypothesis for not really dying, it appears to me he came up with this theory after a close friend died.That makes me believe  that his theory is most likely the product of wishful thinking. There can never be a proof for this theory, so it seems this scientist is just using a strong imagination to come up with a way for people to never really die that is based on his emotions.

Edited by mattryan209, 27 April 2012 - 06:56 PM.

[Mikko-kun]

Here's a riddle: how can you convince a blind man that you can sense vibrations of light, called colours? That's not hard. But how can you convince a society of blind people when few enough of you spot those spectres? Especially if we're talking about cavemen, or pre-historic times. What you think our time will be called after 1000, 4000 or 15000 years, presuming all "civilization" doesn't crumble for one reason or another by then?

Telekinesis. ESP. I think he should give that idea some room with his idea, about watching things making a difference. MY theory is that our mental, spiritual, soulful and emotional ailments are projected into our physical beings, take stress for example, or depression etc. The placebo effect too. They're linked so why not the other way too, why not outwards too? We can sense and emit a mental, emotional, soulful atmosphere. Who says it's bound to our body, or that every part of our not-so-physical being is bound to our body? But hey... did he say if there was a difference between someone recording the atom-split and watching it afterwards on tape, from watching it live on the spot or from a monitor or from distance, or not watching the experiment itself at all, nor observing the experiment at all, nor being near the experiment at all, nor being conscious about when the experiment was going to take place...? ESP, when developed at least, surpasses distances.

I'm not satisfied if they can't bind astrology-psychology and all psychic stuff into the theory with this. I dont think they should be afraid of doing this no matter what the scientific community thinks of them: binding yourself to a box isn't healthy.