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[ThePhantomFlanFlinger]

spud the mackem, on 27 April 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

I stand corrected,but my question is ,why did they pick a foreigner to be the Patron Saint of England ? we must not have had anyone capable in the eyes of the Church which was all powerfull them days,maybe I would have chosen St.Bede or St.Cuthbert too late now tho'.

We should have King Arthur...but thats a whole different kettle of worms...so to speak...

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BrianPotter, on 27 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

We should have King Arthur...but thats a whole different kettle of worms...so to speak...

He's not a saint, either.

[spud the mackem]

Flibbertigibbet, on 27 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

St Edmund, the king of East Anglia who was slain by the Danes, was generally regarded as England's patron saint until quite late in the middle ages. St George was adopted during the Crusades because the English wanted to trade with Genoa, which also had him as its patron.

  Well you certainly know your history Young Lady,that was one of my "Hate" subjects at school because I could never remember dates/times etc,and still cannot ,so I'm off to sulk ha ha, but I shall remain friendly..

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Flibbertigibbet, on 27 April 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

He's not a saint, either.

Kettle and Worms mean anything to you..?

Edited by BrianPotter, 27 April 2012 - 05:02 PM.

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BrianPotter, on 27 April 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Kettle and Worms mean anything to you..?

Something like kettle of fish?

[Macroramphosis]

spud the mackem, on 27 April 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

The river is tidal.

I am sure it is, especially in the estuary.  Indeed, most rivers are tidal. Unfortunately, conger eels, especially ones big enough to eat cattle wouldn't be caught dead nearly nine miles from the sea, in water shallow enough that the first frost will kill them off. Big eels like deep water, specifically water over 60' deep, and a 100lb conger is a rarity in water that shallow. Something big enough to eat cattle would have to be at least 300 to 400lbs in weight, and for that we have to enter the realm of speculation and fantasy, which is where we will end up anyway if we are to believe a conger, according to the tale, would happily sun itself on the hill and wrap its tail around the base of it.

I have far less problem believing it was a dragon.

note: yes, I know that there has supposed to have been a 362lb conger caught once south of Iceland, but no one has ever managed to find definitive proof of it, and it was caught at a depth of 150 plus metres.

Edited by Macroramphosis, 27 April 2012 - 05:15 PM.

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Flibbertigibbet, on 27 April 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Something like kettle of fish?

Similar my young dear...its nice to see our future upon these boards.Make our great country proud.


not a joke btw....it is nice to see...

[ealdwita]

BrianPotter, on 27 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

We should have King Arthur...but thats a whole different kettle of worms...so to speak...

I can hardly think of anyone less qualified to become England's patron saint! The Welsh cleric Nennius first mentions him in his 9th.Century Historia Britonum and portrays him as a Romano-British chieftain fighting against The Anglo-Saxons (who incidentally, laid the foundations of England) and most sources that mention Arthur are of Welsh or Breton origin. His name is thought to be derived from the Romano-Etruscan Artorius. Almost everything else that is generally 'known' about him today comes from the romantic and often febrile imagination of Geoffrey of Monmouth in the 1130's who places Arthur in Cornwall. (Much more romantic in the 12th.Century than Wales, I'm afraid!)

I could continue, but I can see several of you dozing off at the back!



St.Edmund for me!

[ealdwita]

(Double post. Sorry)

Edited by ealdwita, 27 April 2012 - 05:25 PM.

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ealdwita, on 27 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

(Double post. Sorry)

LOL..my kettle is getting fuller ealdwita....i agree with you but my humour is strange...

[spud the mackem]

Macroramphosis, on 27 April 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

I am sure it is, especially in the estuary.  Indeed, most rivers are tidal. Unfortunately, conger eels, especially ones big enough to eat cattle wouldn't be caught dead nearly nine miles from the sea, in water shallow enough that the first frost will kill them off. Big eels like deep water, specifically water over 60' deep, and a 100lb conger is a rarity in water that shallow. Something big enough to eat cattle would have to be at least 300 to 400lbs in weight, and for that we have to enter the realm of speculation and fantasy, which is where we will end up anyway if we are to believe a conger, according to the tale, would happily sun itself on the hill and wrap its tail around the base of it.

I have far less problem believing it was a dragon.

note: yes, I know that there has supposed to have been a 362lb conger caught once south of Iceland, but no one has ever managed to find definitive proof of it, and it was caught at a depth of 150 plus metres.

Hey man,thanks for the lesson,I was only speculating on what it might have been, I mean Congers are real ,Dragons are mythical,and although the L.W may have been some kind of "fishy like" predator,nothing is big enough to wrap itself around a hill,thats purely folklore filled with exageration like all past legends.Werewolves/vampires,figments of imagination yet people believe that there are such things..cheers