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#1    susieice

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:14 PM

I've been reading a book by the same title written by Joel Martin and William J. Birnes that is the result of over 30 years of researching historical documents, newspapers, books and other sources. It claims that 39 of the 43 first families to occupy the White House have experienced some sort of paranormal phenomenon ( from the Washingtons who didn't live there to George W. Bush who was two years into his first term at the time this book was published). It is well known that Nancy Reagan and Hillary Clinton consulted astrologers on a regular basis . Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter all reported sightings of UFOs to the point where Carter had promised disclosure after he entered the Presidency. Seances were common in the White House from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s. The Lincolns are both known for their belief in the occult. Mary Todd often conducting seances and reporting spirit activity in the White House. Abraham Lincoln seems to have been our most psychicly gifted president. As I read on I'll post other things I find interesting but I will start with George Washington. Two things stood out to me that I'd like to get opinions on. The first is Washington's vision at Valley Forge. I'm posting weblinks that I found so I don't have to type everything out (a little lazy, sorry).
As Washington was at Valley Forge during a bitter Pennsylvania winter, he was pondering whether to just give up. His men were starving. Their clothes were tattered and many didn't even have shoes. Cold and disease was taking a huge toll on his men. These links are close to what the book says happened except in the second part of the vision, it doesn't mention the Pacific Ocean. It just says Washington said he could see towns and lights as far as he could see.
http://www.ushistory...ton/vision.html
http://www.robertgho...ngel_vision.htm
The second thing I want to post is Washington's appearance to the men of the 20th Maine under Joshua Chamberlain at the battle of Gettysburg. He was seen twice, once to lead them to the battlefield and once to lead them in a suicidal charge that would turn the battle that would turn the tide of the war and ultimately preserve the Union.
http://www.godtheori... Gettysburg.pdf
I'll post more as I read on but would like to hear your comments on these topics. I'm not going to post every sighting of a spirit as there has been many reported but only what I find to be interesting to discuss.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:01 AM

I read through some more last night. I'll include this as I found it rather amusing.
http://www.bukisa.co...-dolley-madison

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:12 PM

fascinating stuff.Everyone said Nixon was talking to himself like a loon ,at the end.He insisted he was talking to ghosts.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:00 PM

I can't believe it but while searching for the vision of Julia Gardiner, who would become John Tyler's second wife, I found a book review on the book I'm reading. You can read quite a number of pages in this link. I saw the page about Nixon, who is said to haunt his library at Yorba Linda, still bitter and disillusioned by his unsettled presidency. He is referred to as an earthbound spirit. Just scroll up on the right hand side.
http://books.google.... vision&f=false

Edited by susieice, 29 April 2012 - 03:02 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:12 PM

I'll put this in here also but everyone knows about the curse put on William Henry Harrison by Tenskwatawa, the medicine man-religious leader brother of Shawnee Chief Tecumseh. Some sources say the curse was pronounced by Tecumseh, but what I'm reading says it was, in fact, his brother, who was known to the Shawnee tribe as "the prophet". Ronald Reagan was the first to survive it and George W. Bush was also able to avoid the curse.
http://en.wikipedia....e_of_Tippecanoe

And then, of course, there is the Kennedy curse. It is believed as written by the authors of this book, to have started in Ireland sometime during the Middle Ages over a bitter dispute of a wronged transaction. In recent years, no less than 15 tragedies has struck with an unusual number of tragedies and inexplicable deaths occurring in earlier generations also, although the book does not go into detail regarding them.
http://www.courant.c...78.photogallery

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:37 AM

Even my mother told me about the Kennedy curse ,when I was little,but as I got older,I realized it was the old the family suffers for the sins of the father for ,what,2-3 generations.

I honestly believe that,as it happens in every day families.

Joe Kennedy,he was a bbbbaaaaddddd man ......

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:42 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 30 April 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Even my mother told me about the Kennedy curse ,when I was little,but as I got older,I realized it was the old the family suffers for the sins of the father for ,what,2-3 generations.

I honestly believe that,as it happens in every day families.

Joe Kennedy,he was a bbbbaaaaddddd man ......
Yes he was. A bootlegger who was very tight with the mob. Sounds like he may have inherited his business practices from his ancestors. I wish the authors would have  explained that in a little more detail. :P

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:51 AM

Astrologer, seer Jeanne Dixon began her career as an advisor to the Presidents during the Presidency of FDR and stayed on through the Reagan administration until Nancy Reagan chose to consult an astrologer named Joan Quigley instead. Her most famous prediction was the death of JFK. You will need to scroll down in this link to get to her White House years.
http://www.forteanti...hite_house.html
Here's a link to Joan Quigley. Nancy Reagan had long held a belief in astrology. At the end of the link is some info about other Presidents who consulted the stars.
http://www.people.co...0099022,00.html

Edited by susieice, 30 April 2012 - 02:56 AM.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:44 AM

I think they all do it,but some are mum about it.

I know Churchill used them to defeat Hitler. :whistle:

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:26 PM

There is a lot to post about Abraham Lincoln as he and his wife were firm believers in the spiritual world. I'll start with posting a link to the dreams Lincoln had in office. Mediums, including the Fox Sisters, were common guest in the White House during his tenure.
http://kellybulkeley...oln’s-dreams/

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:59 PM

i find stuff like this fascinating

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:59 AM

Abraham and Mary Todd Lincoln also consulted and held seances with a number of mediums. The book goes into more detail but here are some links. The first is Nettie Colburn.
http://www.mrlincoln...709&subjectID=2
http://www.gotsc.org...msatSeances.htm
http://www.prairiegh.../a_lincoln.html

Can't find good link to the Fox sisters right now but here's one to show Mary Todd's interest in the occult.
http://history1800s....h-century_5.htm

Edited by susieice, 03 May 2012 - 02:22 AM.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:27 PM

Here is a link to some sightings of Lincoln's ghost amongst some others. Heads of State including Churchill are believed to have seen him. Queen Wilhemina of the Netherlands definitely did and was very vocal about it.
http://www.haunted-p...HouseGhosts.htm

Maureen Reagan, Lady Bird Johnson and Jackie Kennedy also reported seeing the spirit of Lincoln in the White House.

Edited by susieice, 03 May 2012 - 01:30 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 04:50 PM

Here is the reenactment of the George Washington story from One Step Beyond television series.

http://tesla.liketel...=tv&theme=guide

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:34 AM

Here's a link to the Lincoln bedroom and a few more stories of sightings. In Lincoln's time, it was his cabinet room. According to the book I'm reading, the bed was bought for $10,000 by Mary Todd Lincoln, which was a huge sum of money in the 1860s. It so infuriated Abraham that she would spend that much money during wartime that he refused to sleep in it. He never did, however his son Willie died in the bed at the age of 11 if I remember correctly.
Amy Carter and her friends tried to use a ouija board during an overnight sleepover but according to my book, they were stopped by Rosalynn.
http://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln54.html

Here is the prophetic dream Lincoln had regarding what would be his assassination. When he told Mary Todd about it she broke down and refused to leave him for 3 days, requiring constant reassurance. Lincoln agreed to go to the theater for some relief from his burdens and because the idea had lightened the mood for Mary Todd. He always felt he could not stop an assassination attempt and did not seem to be overly concerned that night. Witnesses say he was laughing and enjoying the play with his wife and guests when John Wilkes Booth entered the Presidental Box.
http://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln46.html

Mary Todd Lincoln would today be considered bi-polar. She needed constant attention, was very emotionally needy and was sometimes a burden to her husband, who himself suffered from bouts of depression. She was, however, from a very wealthy and prominent family and so she was just considered a little eccentric. I'm taking this description from the book I'm reading. The deaths of her children were devastating to her and to Abraham also, particularly the death of Willie. It is said they had frequent arguments and that today their marriage would be considered dysfunctional. No one knew that word in their time so this is on the speculation of the authors, but it does seem as if they are close if not totally correct.
http://marriage.abou.../abelincoln.htm

Edited by susieice, 04 May 2012 - 02:47 AM.

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