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#31    orangepeaceful79

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:04 PM

View PostCakeOrDeath, on 07 May 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

Orange, I have to disagree, my father passed away suddenly, when I was still fairly "impressionable" he was young 47,  at the time we were working through some life issues and finally communicating really well, then boom, dead.  I was still in my later teens, if someone, older, using fairly scientific terms and quoting "vactican studies" came along offering me a chance to talk to my father I might have bit.  You may say, "what's the harm" but mr EVP delivering me the "wrong" message from my father could have had significant effect on my life moving forward.

See what I mean? I wasn't a "believer" or "skeptic" just a sad kid looking for guidance/closure.

I do see what you are saying.  I was referring to the "believers"  - replying to the post I quoted.  Trying to convince a believer with evidence is pointless because they don't need any.  

For sad folks, who are impressionable like you were, I think this is where the true danger lies, as you mentioned.  I am in agreement with you, there is harm.  But I was speaking only about believers.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:44 PM

View Postorangepeaceful79, on 07 May 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I do see what you are saying.  I was referring to the "believers"  - replying to the post I quoted.  Trying to convince a believer with evidence is pointless because they don't need any.  

For sad folks, who are impressionable like you were, I think this is where the true danger lies, as you mentioned. I am in agreement with you, there is harm.  But I was speaking only about believers.

This is very true and the frightening reality we face today. There are literally thousands of "Investigators" running around in people's lives and properties making amazing claims about their loved ones communicating and giving false and dangerous advice. I've seen it, even here, where a claimant is requesting advice about strange sounds, headaches, nausea, etc. These "investigators" start making advice to seek a shaman, do more investigations, EVP sessions etc when in reality the claimant is citing direct symptoms of Carbon Monoxide poisoning.

I could go on and on.. This problem is extremely dangerous and REAL!


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:32 PM

Sorry Orange, I mis-understood your post, my mistake.  I get whatcha mean about "un-convincing" someone who is already convinced.  I just wanted to shed some light on why it might seem I come off as abit of an "attacker" in posts where there are claims like this.  In fact, while skeptical, I consider myself a believer in the paranormal, but to me that means things that can and do occur, that aren't readily explainable using our normal senses or current scientific technology.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:10 AM

View PostCakeOrDeath, on 07 May 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Sorry Orange, I mis-understood your post, my mistake.  I get whatcha mean about "un-convincing" someone who is already convinced.  I just wanted to shed some light on why it might seem I come off as abit of an "attacker" in posts where there are claims like this.  In fact, while skeptical, I consider myself a believer in the paranormal, but to me that means things that can and do occur, that aren't readily explainable using our normal senses or current scientific technology.
No worries, friend.  Have a good one :)


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:36 AM

The real problem is... Are the voices who claim to our loved ones are they? Again, my experiences go back 30 yrs. So, I've seen a lot in the field. Raudives and other EVP ITC researchers have said the voices at times claim to be our loved ones on the otherside. I believe it MAY be possible that the voices are who they say they are. However what proof do we have?

In the end just voices captured on a recording. Just like the early researchers of the EVP phenomenon experienced. Nothing more...


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:27 AM

View PostTheEVPman, on 08 May 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

The real problem is... Are the voices who claim to our loved ones are they? Again, my experiences go back 30 yrs. So, I've seen a lot in the field. Raudives and other EVP ITC researchers have said the voices at times claim to be our loved ones on the otherside. I believe it MAY be possible that the voices are who they say they are. However what proof do we have?

In the end just voices captured on a recording. Just like the early researchers of the EVP phenomenon experienced. Nothing more...

That sounds like a more reasonable stance to me - my question is whether this is what you tell your clientele? Do you represent to them the staggering amount of uncertainty that exists with any kind of data collection involving the paranormal?  It would be irresponsible, unethical even on your part to suggest otherwise.  Because as you say - we just don't know.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:11 PM

I've had clients tell me when they listen to a recorded voice say it was the voice of a loved one. I remind them it could be... We can't prove it is one way or the other. Only that the voices are interactive and respond at times. (Nothing More)

Folks contact me and ask me about communicating with the otherside. I explain to them, folks like Raudive and others have made claims and documented their research about making contact with loved ones on the otherside. On a personal note I'll share some of my experiences with the voices and who they claim to be. Some say they are my passed over loved ones as well. Again, we can't prove it's really who they say they are. On the other hand the voices often have inside info into events of the past, which they some times make known. Some have retained accents which seems to make them more idnetifiable.

Again, who and what creates these voices of EVP and ITCs is a big question. All I can say is I've conducted  experiments as Raudive and others with like results. So, again. We only have results.  Were all of the voices created from the same source??? We can't say or know. At different times with other researchers the voices have made claims to be anything from ghosts to aliens so who knows?????

We have no control over the communications or the perfect conditions in which to facilitate or establish the possible contact with the otherside. Just that it might be possible at times.

How and what equipment they choose to use.... Again a guess as to why and how... Voice recorder, ghost boxes or other ITC devices... Again we have more questions than answers. Just because it dosen't work for one person dosen't mean it may not for another. Why? Again we don't have all the answers. After all it's the paranormal.

So, all I did here was ask the question if anyone has had like results? I was attacked, in which case present some information to examine with names and some of the research. I'm a skeptic honestly. However I have done my research not only in studies, but in the practical sense of trying it myself. I would encourage others to do the same. Results may not come right away. It may take times as noted by some researchers. Like going fishing perhaps. Some times the fish bite... Other times we are left to wonder why we haven't caught anything. Again I've been at it 30 yrs. Longer than some folks have been alive. Results can and do change at times with EVP and ITCs.

Edited by TheEVPman, 08 May 2012 - 04:01 PM.





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