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#1    Knight Of Shadows

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:00 PM

alright this suppose to be a debate on the holy trinity which is by christian belief
the father , the son , and the holy spirit
i am obviously muslim but this is not personal attack or bashing on christians
it's simply a debate which i'll use the very christian bible as way to prove my point

but first i'd like to get something clear .. it's very confusing topic " the holy trinity "
am not familiar on which concept to take as the base one taken in christianty
therefore i'll start simple : the trinity from what i got from christians is
the father , son , holy spirit are the same person .. or entity in other words god
is that true ? and if so i got so many points to debate on that fact alone
and if am wrong so far it'll be nice if some one shed more light on this matter of the holy trinity
before i go on with the topic i'd like to know if i got it right so far regarding the concept of this

and one more thing guys this is suppose to be friendly so don't jump me too soon :D

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:05 PM

yes father son and holy spirit are one God. i cant type much so others will debate with you instead.


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:35 PM

Good luck with your quest to get orthodox Trinitarians to explain the belief concept of shared consciousness and spiritual energy.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:43 PM

View Postkeven3, on 30 April 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

yes father son and holy spirit are one God. i cant type much so others will debate with you instead.


God bless you
Keven

ok thanks for setting this straight

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:48 PM

okay since i got it right about the trinity that all of the 3 ... father , son , holy spirit are the same thing they're the one god .. not 3 different things
i'll start with something i made on post in different wrong forum which is the words of the bible that says :

in John 20:17 : Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

the words differ from version to another version of the bible but all of the end with the same words " to MY god and YOUR god "
so jesus said he was ascending to his god .. so in jesus words he's not god .. he's going to ascend to meet god
how is that possiable .. any possiable explantions ?

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:08 PM

The explanation for that falls into the same category as "How come the three  bears didn't rip Goldilocks to shreds when they discovered her eating their porridge?"

Edited by ealdwita, 30 April 2012 - 08:09 PM.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

well i didn't get that for sure :D more explaination man ? you just made it worst

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:26 PM

i think he means there is no good answer to your question


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:33 PM

but it's all so clear .. it's jesus stating in very clear way he's not god .. and he's going up to meet up with his god isn't it clear ?

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:38 PM

i am paralyzed so it is hard to type.your view is understandable. read the book of john for the answer


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:42 PM

well am sorry about that .. but this line above is from John

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:44 PM

ok. jesus and writings about him are often riddles. the answer is there


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:48 PM

it doesn't seem so obscure though .. it's pretty clear there's no riddle the line is very straight

in John 20:17 : Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

and that's not the only line i got alot of points still but am trying to take one at a time so we don't get lost

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:50 PM

if i can get someone to type for me ill give a better reply


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:56 PM

alright man don't worry you can type back whenever you get a chance am not going anywhere :D please take your time

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great





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