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[gstatuz]

http://www.inconspic...#!bohemian-club


This article has some great pics on page 2, what do you guys think!?

[gstatuz]

http://www.inconspic...!hoo!-is-moloch

Great article on this "Moloch" owl god the elite worship, check it out!

[Left-Field]

I think that whether or not people believe in the Illuminati, NWO, or some unnamed group of people "running" the world, it is incredibly bizarre for men of such stature (or any group of people for that matter, especially adults) to gather at this place known as the Bohemian Grove.

While we are uncertain of everything that goes on there, we do know that they gather to worship a 40-foot tall owl (believed to be representative of the deity "Moloch," although there is claims it may represent "Minerva" or "Lilith"), and carry out an annual ceremony they refer to as "The Cremation Of Care."

The Cremation Of Care

The "Cremation of Care" is a ritual performance undertaken at the yearly Bohemian Grove club, where a mock child sacrifice is made to an approximate 40ft stone owl. The ritual involves club members, often high ranking businessmen and politicians, cremating (getting rid of) their care (moral compass) in order to clear their conscience for the year ahead.

Presumably the cremation of care is conducted because club members will be involved in unethical business deals and corrupt political decisions in the coming year and want to rid themselves of any internal guilt. This most likely just being symbolic.

The owl idol used during the cremation of care might represent Minerva like other symbols of the club, the Babylonian demon Lilith or a rendition of Phoenician child sacrifice God Moloch. The narrator of the ritual names Phoenicia during the line, “As vanished Babylon and goodly Tyre, So shall they also vanish.” Tyre is another term for “an ancient seaport of Phoenicia”.

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Edited by Angel Left Wing, 01 May 2012 - 09:16 AM.

[DKO]

Alex Jones sneaked in with a hidden camera. His documentary 'Inside bohemian Grove' shows footage from inside. It doesn't really show much except for the cremation of care posted above by angel left wing. Still a good doco to watch though.

[Rafterman]

Personally, like most of these elite gatherings, I think it's much ado about nothing.  

I have a professional relationship with an SF based acrchitect who is a member and we've had lunch at the Club several times.  He's also taken me skeet shooting up at the Grove.  It's basically just like any other private club I've ever been to.

As far as the big meeting and the ceremonies and such - it's just an excuse for a bunch of wealthy folks to get drunk, blow off a little steam, relive their frat days, and talk about the issues of the world.

[unit]

aww that's cute rafterman.. they likes to get drunk n play paintball too, eh?


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[preacherman76]

Rafterman, on 01 May 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Personally, like most of these elite gatherings, I think it's much ado about nothing.  

I have a professional relationship with an SF based acrchitect who is a member and we've had lunch at the Club several times.  He's also taken me skeet shooting up at the Grove.  It's basically just like any other private club I've ever been to.

As far as the big meeting and the ceremonies and such - it's just an excuse for a bunch of wealthy folks to get drunk, blow off a little steam, relive their frat days, and talk about the issues of the world.

Yea nothing like pretending to burn to death a small child to please the roman owl god to blow off some steam. Just like the good old days back at yale.

[gstatuz]

preacherman76, on 01 May 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Yea nothing like pretending to burn to death a small child to please the roman owl god to blow off some steam. Just like the good old days back at yale.

LMAO hit the nail on the head!

[Rafterman]

preacherman76, on 01 May 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Yea nothing like pretending to burn to death a small child to please the roman owl god to blow off some steam. Just like the good old days back at yale.

So what?

And in my fraternity initiation we pretended to bury people alive.

And millions of Catholics pretend to ingest human blood and flesh every Sunday.

It's called symbolism.

Edited by Rafterman, 01 May 2012 - 09:29 PM.

[RaptorBites]

Rafterman, on 01 May 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

It's called symbolism.

Pleasew don't use that word.

We need less Kobe Bryant, Whitney Houston, Jay-z/beyonce baby conspiracy threads.

[Left-Field]

Rafterman, on 01 May 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

I have a professional relationship with an SF based acrchitect who is a member and we've had lunch at the Club several times. He's also taken me skeet shooting up at the Grove. It's basically just like any other private club I've ever been to.

Whether your above statement is true or not, it doesn't sound like you've been to Bohemian Grove during the times at which many of the world's "elite" are gathered there. In other words, you haven't witnessed what they do.

I also wonder how many other private clubs have a 40-foot tall statue they worship that represents a deity, and how many hold an annual ritual in which they sacrifice a human child effigy.

Those things aside, the people who make up the membership of the Bohemian Club is enough to seperate it from that of "any other private club."

Rafterman, on 01 May 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

As far as the big meeting and the ceremonies and such - it's just an excuse for a bunch of wealthy folks to get drunk, blow off a little steam, relive their frat days, and talk about the issues of the world.

Again, it doesn't sound like you've actually been present at one of these "big meetings / ceremonies."

Furthermore, it is one thing if I and my neighbor get together to discuss the issues of the world. It is another thing altogether when world leaders gather in private, in large numbers, to discuss such things.

It should also be noted that world leaders should be well past a point in their lives where they feel a need to "get drunk" and "relive their frat days."

Adults in general are expected to move-on from those days as it is, let alone those entrusted with running a country, a prominent business, or anyone who happens to work within such an organization or holds a position within the governmental ranks.

[The Silver Thong]

Rafterman, on 01 May 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

So what?



And millions of Catholics pretend to ingest human blood and flesh every Sunday.

If that doesn`t make you crap your pants nothing will.

[Paracelse]

Are the members of the bohemian club the same that run the bilderberg club?

[Rafterman]

Angel Left Wing, on 02 May 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Whether your above statement is true or not, it doesn't sound like you've been to Bohemian Grove during the times at which many of the world's "elite" are gathered there. In other words, you haven't witnessed what they do.

I also wonder how many other private clubs have a 40-foot tall statue they worship that represents a deity, and how many hold an annual ritual in which they sacrifice a human child effigy.

Those things aside, the people who make up the membership of the Bohemian Club is enough to seperate it from that of "any other private club."



Again, it doesn't sound like you've actually been present at one of these "big meetings / ceremonies."

Furthermore, it is one thing if I and my neighbor get together to discuss the issues of the world. It is another thing altogether when world leaders gather in private, in large numbers, to discuss such things.

It should also be noted that world leaders should be well past a point in their lives where they feel a need to "get drunk" and "relive their frat days."

Adults in general are expected to move-on from those days as it is, let alone those entrusted with running a country, a prominent business, or anyone who happens to work within such an organization or holds a position within the governmental ranks.

So basically you just don't approve of what they're doing there so it must be bad an evil, right?

And you're right, I made no claim that I was ever there during the 'big spooky meeting.'  But from what I can tell by the comments in this thread, most of you seem to subscribe to the Alex Jones view of the place.

Since we all claim to be here to 'learn the real truth' about things, perhaps you should try this view on for size:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4131

Pay particular attention to the final couple of paragraphs, especially the one where he talks about the complete lack of security.

[Left-Field]

Rafterman, on 02 May 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

So basically you just don't approve of what they're doing there so it must be bad an evil, right?

No, that isn't "basically" what I've said at all. If what you stated above were "basically" true it would imply that any person who partakes in behavior I do not approve of immediately becomes somebody I label as "bad" and "evil."

This is not the case, however (if you need examples I will give them to you).

Also, you completely ignored the reasons I gave as to why I disapprove of their behavior. The reasoning is far more important than the disapproval itself.

I would list the reasons why again, but all one has to do is look at my previous post in order to find out the reasoning behind why I (among others) question what takes place there.

Aside from what I have all ready stated though, there is also a case in which a boy (now an adult) claims he was forced to sexually molest another child and participate in a snuff film made at the Grove.

I haven't gone into that yet, but I will later.

Rafterman, on 02 May 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

And you're right, I made no claim that I was ever there during the 'big spooky meeting.'  But from what I can tell by the comments in this thread, most of you seem to subscribe to the Alex Jones view of the place.

Even if one can assume that what you state above is reasonably accurate, what is your point?

By the same token I can reasonably assume - based upon your posts - that regardless of any information presented to you pertaining to the Bohemian Club, and what takes place at the Bohemian Grove, you will quickly dismiss it if it does not fall in line with your currently established thoughts about the subject.

I would also like to note that while my thoughts of the club may align with those of Alex Jones, he is not the reason I've come to the thoughts I have about the place. While I know who Alex Jones is, and am aware of some of his conspiracy beliefs, he is not someone I follow.

Rafterman, on 02 May 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Since we all claim to be here to 'learn the real truth' about things, perhaps you should try this view on for size: The Bohemian Club Conspiracy (Skeptoid.com)

Having just finished reading the entire article, I really didn't find it to be all that informative. The only thing that really stood out to me - whether it is something that falls in line with the conspiracy theories or information that works against those beliefs - is the comment you made below about a lack of security (which I will address in a moment).

I may even take the time later to comment on certain things mentioned within the article.

Rafterman, on 02 May 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Pay particular attention to the final couple of paragraphs, especially the one where he talks about the complete lack of security.

If we are being accurate about what is contained within the article, the author does not say there is a "complete lack of security." What he actually states is "their security is not anything like what it's popularly rumored to be."

This implies that there is, in fact, some form of security.

That distinction aside, it is also worth noting the source he relies upon for coming to that conclusion is based upon a 1989 Spy Magazine article in which Philip Weiss claims he came and went as he pleased, into and out of the Grove, over a 7-day span during the 16-day encampment.

While I admit I find that hard to believe, I am willing to accept that account as being true.

That being said, in 1989, I'm going to assume the security in place at the Grove wasn't as tight as it is currently said to be. Part of my reasoning for this is that the internet didn't exist at that time, and as a result, it is reasonable to believe far less people knew of its existence. In which case, it can then be reasoned, less people were interested in what takes place there and gaining access to the site - whether it be through legal or illegal means. Hence the reason for less security.

As for more recent information about security at the Bohemian Grove, it was just the other day in which I saw part of an episode of Brad Meltzer's Decoded discussing secret societies in which two members of his crew were arrested for trying to access the place. You can see this here.

While I make mention of Brad Meltzer's show above, I haven't seen many episodes. I admit that I tend to question how much of it is real. I even question if the arrests I mention in the secret societies episode were staged. None the less, the episode implies that the Grove is tightly guarded

For a more telling, and believable, account of what the people in the Bohemian Club are capable of I refer you to the following:

Chris Jones Infiltrates Bohemian Grove

Later Arrested On Trumped-Up Charges Against Children

In the summer of 2005, an individual who went by the pseudonym “Kyle” obtained a job in the Bohemian Grove with the sole purpose of investigating the activities within the club. Over the course of the summer he brought his digital camera to work and was able to shoot several close up photos of the effigies which are used in the Cremation of Care ritual. He also obtained video footage of Moloch, and the electronic systems used to control the music, lights, and fireworks for the ceremony.

The photos he took, as well as video, is featured in Alex Jones’ film The Order of Death (2005) and can be viewed on the Internet. This author, Mark Dice, has met “Kyle” on several occasions and I have seen the photos and video on his camera with my own eyes. Aside from taking video and photos from inside the club, he was able to obtain a 2005 membership list and program guide, as well.

“Kyle” whose real name is Chris Jones, hadn’t written a book, nor ever discussed plans to do so, and made no money off any lectures about the Bohemian Grove. He was simply a man who was appalled with what the elite were involved in, and spent his own time, money, and energy to gather evidence to expose them. He asked for no money from Alex Jones in return for sending him the video footage and photos he had taken from inside the Grove when he had worked there. He granted Alex full permission to use the photos and videos in his film, and only asked for some free copies in return that he could give to family and friends.

Chris Jones would later be imprisoned due to trumped up charges surrounding showing some kids in his neighborhood the video footage and educating them about the club. Police claimed he was showing kids snuff films, and a series of charges were filed against him for allegedly wanting to harm children. It’s likely these charges were to punish him for his investigations into the Bohemian Grove, and his imprisonment was ordered by the Illuminati. The entire case and the trial stunk of corruption, and despite no evidence or testimony from the children in his neighborhood that he had any ill motives, he was found guilty in 2008 and sentenced to several years in prison.

-Source-

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 02 May 2012 - 09:59 PM.