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[Rafterman]

Angel Left Wing, on 02 May 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

As for more recent information about security at the Bohemian Grove, it was just the other day in which I saw part of an episode of Brad Meltzer's Decoded discussing secret societies in which two members of his crew were arrested for trying to access the place. You can see this here.

While I make mention of Brad Meltzer's show above, I haven't seen many episodes. I admit that I tend to question how much of it is real. I even question if the arrests I mention in the secret societies episode were staged. None the less, the episode implies that the Grove is tightly guarded

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I'm not going to bother with your entire post because, frankly, I've learned around here that it's just not worth the time to argue with folks who are convinced that these things are true because nothing I say is ever going ot change your mind.

But I will point out something above - you mention the Brad Meltzer episode on TBG, but yet you fail to mention their conclusions:

http://skeptoid.com/.../09/30/decoded/

Scott gets his buddies out of jail and by now their tone has changed significantly.  The reality of being “stuffed and cuffed” as Buddy puts it, hit home hard and the spit has clearly hit the fan.  Buddy goes on to say that the only way he would ever go into the Bohemian Grove now is as an invited guest and he supposes that the invitation probably isn’t coming any time soon.  Mac summed it up succinctly by saying, “being in jail sucks”.  In talking about their adventure the next day, Buddy compared himself to Thoreau saying that he also pushed boundaries and broke rules in the interest of learning more about our society.  OK Buddy.  During the wrap up session at the end of the show attitudes have changed dramatically and have become decidedly more practical.  Mac says that the more she has thought about it, the less she is bothered by the Grove.  “After all, it is their property and they are allowed to do what they want with it.”   Scott strikes the nail on the head by saying, “there is nothing nefarious going on here, it is just of bunch of businessmen in a men’s club”.  In the final scene of the show, with spooky music playing in the background, Meltzer says he begs to differ with his colleague’s conclusion.   What gets under his skin is that fact that in this country, some people are getting together in secret and getting to have more say than others.  I hope he is not just now realizing this in his 40’s.  This is just the way it has always been.
Will I watch season two of Decoded?  Sure, it has potential.

So again we're left with folks getting arrested for coming onto private property (yeah, that only happens at TBG, right?), some spooky rituals that seem to freak folks out (not sure why), and a private meeting of wealthy and influential people talking about stuff (which happens pretty much everywhere).

Oh, and here's another guy who has been there just like I have:  http://blog.sfgate.c...y-brad-meltzer/

If you're so interested in going there and checking it out, I'd suggest you get some tickets to this:  http://www.monterioshow.org/show.php

One last point - if Jimmy Buffett is involved, then perhaps the NWO/Illuminati/Freemasons, etc. probably ain't so bad.

Edited by Rafterman, 04 May 2012 - 02:16 PM.

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Rafterman, on 04 May 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

I'm not going to bother with your entire post because, frankly, I've learned around here that it's just not worth the time to argue with folks who are convinced that these things are true because nothing I say is ever going ot change your mind.

That isn't true. But again, by the same token, it seems just as obvious that nothing anyone else says will change your currently established thoughts about the Bohemian Club.

I notice that you completely overlooked the Chris Jones incident I mentioned, for example. Much in the same way you continue to overlook the reasons why I question what goes on at the Bohemian Grove.

Rafterman, on 04 May 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

But I will point out something above - you mention the Brad Meltzer episode on TBG, but yet you fail to mention their conclusions:

I didn't mention their conclusions because as I stated, I didn't watch the entire episode. And not only that, but the only reason I mentioned the show was to dispute your claim that there is a "complete lack of security" at the Grove.

I also told you that while I did make mention of the arrests, I question whether much of the show is real. I even said that I felt the arrests might have been staged.

Rafterman, on 04 May 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

So again we're left with folks getting arrested for coming onto private property (yeah, that only happens at TBG, right?), some spooky rituals that seem to freak folks out (not sure why), and a private meeting of wealthy and influential people talking about stuff (which happens pretty much everywhere).

In regards to your first comment in the quote above, yet again, the only reason I mentioned the arrests was to dispute your claim that there is a "complete lack of security" at the Grove. I was simply showing you that that is not the case.

Furthermore, you completely dismissed the Chris Jones story about what the Bohemian Club members are capable of doing to people who infiltrate them.

As for the rest of your comments in the above quote, either your comprehension skills are lacking, or you simply haven't read this post.

Considering that you simply ignore everything I say that either answers your questions about "why," or disputes your own views of the Bohemian Grove, I'm sure you'll completely overlook the claims by a child (now an adult) who discusses being forced to sexually abuse another child at the Grove, while at the same time a snuff film was being made of the event once I get around to posting that.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 04 May 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[preacherman76]

Rafterman, on 01 May 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

So what?

And in my fraternity initiation we pretended to bury people alive.

That isnt something id brag about.

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And millions of Catholics pretend to ingest human blood and flesh every Sunday.

They were commanded to eat bread and drink wine to remember his sacrifice. Personaly I think they take it to far thinking that it actualy becomes those things, but it isnt anywhere near the same as pretending to murder a child. If they are pretending.

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It's called symbolism.

What is burning to death a baby to apease a pagan god symbolic of?

Edited by preacherman76, 05 May 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[Left-Field]

Richard Nixon Speaks Of The Homosexual "Nature" Of Bohemian Grove

In current times Nixon's comments may not seem like much considering homosexuals aren't frowned upon in the same manner they once were. In the political world, however, being gay is still considered a bit of a "no-no" and can be (and has been) used as a means of comprimising and blackmailing politicians.

While this presents a problem in itself, when one digs deeper into this subject, we learn that there is a more alarming issue to be concerned with. Not only do these men like men, but they also like young boys - as in having sex with minors.

Politicians make up a fair amount of this group I am referring to, but it is not limited to them only. Prominent business owners, members of the media, and military employees have also been found to be among these "protected" pedophiles (among others). These are the same types of people who make up the membership of the Bohemian Club and gather at the Bohemian Grove on an annual basis.

If you have a hard time believing this to be true, then I encourage you to read through this thread. It takes you through a fairly well documented account of these disturbing revelations.

You may also want to look into, and question, why George W. Bush had a homosexual male escort by the name of Jeff Gannon (a.k.a James Guckert) posing as a reporter and spending so much time at the White House during his term as President (Karl Rove has also been link to Gannon).

As picture #1, picture #2, picture #3, and picture #4 clearly show, George W. Bush and Jeff Gannon were no strangers.

Barney Frank having hired a male prostitute in 1985 to be his "personal aide" and "housekeeper" is another incident to take note of. It would later be discovered that this male prostitute, Steve Gobie, ran a homosexual prostitution ring out of Frank's home.

Frank claims he did not know of the ring being run from his home, although Gobie maintains Frank was aware of what was going on.

Paul Bonacci, one of the children sexually molested by these "elite" pedophiles, has testified under oath that Barney Frank was one of his abusers. He states that Frank molested him in the basement of his home - the same location Steve Gobie had operated the homosexual prostitution ring from.

This is important to note because Bonacci is also on tape discussing an area in Northern California, his description of which seems to be Bohemian Grove (he has later identified it as such), where he (and a boy named Nicholas) was taken and forced to sexually molest another child.

Not only does Bonacci state he was forced to molest the younger kid, but he says the whole incident was recorded as a snuff film - one of the men who brought Bonacci to the area shot the child he had been forced to abuse.

Bonacci states he was brought to this area (Bohemian Grove) on two seperate occassions.

I will make a seperate post about Bonacci's claims pertaining to sexual abuse of minors, and murder at the Bohemian Grove, in a seperate post later on.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 05 May 2012 - 10:37 AM.

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Paul Bonacci Tells Of Child-Sex Abuse And Snuff Film Made At Bohemian Grove

The video above is a recorded debriefing Gary Caradori, lead investigator of the Franklin Committee, had conducted with Paul Bonacci as part of an investigation into what has come to be known as The Franklin Scandal.

In the video, Bonacci, one of the children sexually abused by "elite" members of American society as part of a pedophilia ring run by Lawrence E. King out of Omaha, NE, tells of an occassion in 1984 in which King had flown him out to Sacramento, CA.

Along the way the pair had stopped to pick up another child, named Nicholas, in Denver, CO before traveling to Las Vegas, NV and then on to Sacramento.

In Sacramento Bonacci states King had checked the three into a hotel room. After a phone call made by King, another man came to pick the three up in a stretch limousine. They traveled outside the city limits to a location Bonacci describes as a "treed area," like a "wooded area with a clearing." He saw what he believed to be a garden and says that "off to one direction there was a house."

Bonacci continues to describe the area as having rocks and big boulders set in a clearing with a cave in-between. He also states there were clubs at this location - making particular mention of a "Cave Man" club with pictures of dinosaurs.

He says the path that led to the area was an enclosed route surrounded by big trees. He mentions seeing a swing and that a pond was located down one of the trails present. He also says the house he saw had a swimming pool shaped like a half-moon.

Paul Bonacci would later confirm this area as being Bohemian Grove after being shown pictures of the location. He also acknowledges having been taken to this area once before to be filmed having sex with men.

During this particular trip Bonacci states that aside from him and Nicholas, there was also a young kidnapped boy from Idaho locked inside a cage who was all ready there upon their arrival. Lawrence King was present, along with the pilot who flew them to Sacremento. There was also a man Bonacci says was the "producer" of the film they were making. There were four other men present filming everything that went on.

Nicholas and Paul were instructed to wear what he describes as "tarzan" type attire. He says that one of the men then freed the kid from the cage, and Nicholas and himself were told to chase the boy down and drag him back.

Upon doing this, the producer of the film forced both Paul and Nicholas to have sex with the child - threatening to harm them if they did not do so. After doing as they were told Bonacci states one of the men then approached him and Nicholas and began beating the two up.

The man then began beating up the child who had been caged and having sex with him.

Bonacci says the man then returned to beating up him and Nicholas and then forced them into the cage. This man then sat the young boy up against the cage and kicked him in the face before shooting him in the front of the head.

Nicholas was then removed from the cage and taken deeper into the woods. Having heard gunshots, Bonacci feared Nicholas was killed as well. This was not the case, however, as Nicholas returned about an hour later in handcuffs.

Bonacci says he saw the kid that was murdered placed in a car that then drove away.

It wasn't until three hours after the child was murdered that Bonacci and the others left the area. He says they spent that time at the house with the pool before they left and returned to the hotel.

As if this account of these events isn't disturbing enough, Bonacci described in writing, in far more graphic detail, the abuse he, Nicholas, and the caged boy were forced to endure that night at Bohemain Grove.

The content of these writings is too graphic for me to post here, but they discuss how Nicholas and Bonacci were forced to have sex with the other child after he had been murdered. Bonacci also says he was forced to mutilate the dead boy's genitals in a rather grotesque fashion (not that there could really be any other kind).

In the written account, Bonacci says he was taken onto a plane with the dead boy in a bag. He says they flew over a thickly brushed area with a clearing in it. As they flew over the clearing the dead boy was dropped from the plane and Bonacci says one of the men made the statement that "the men with the hoods would take care of the body for them."

In later testimony Bonacci said the "men with the hoods" were a Satanic group which planned to use the dead boy's body in a ceremony. Bonacci would also state that the director of the snuff film used the name "Hunter Thompson," although there is some dispute as to whether or not this man was the famous American author, Hunter S. Thompson.

Bonacci writes that later that night, after they had left Bohemian Grove, he and Nicholas were brought to a house where they were forced to watch the film that had been made of the boy being sexually abused and murdered.

While the video played Bonacci says the men "passed Nicholas and I around as if we were toys and sexually abused us."

You can find this written account in the link below:

The Franklin Cover-Up, Chapter 10: Paul Bonacci

If you do not care to watch the full half-hour video of Gary Caradori debriefing Paul Bonacci about these events, the links below are five minute portions of that video with subtitles.

In order to hear Bonacci discuss the caged boy being murdered, however, you will need to watch the half-hour video. He discusses this during the 15:00 minute to 20:00 minute mark of that recording.

The five minute portions of the video in the links below are of the debriefing just before Bonacci tells of the murder, and just afterwards.

Caradori-Bonacci Debriefing: Arrival At Bohemian Grove
Caradori-Bonacci Debriefing: Description Of The Area

Caradori-Bonacci Debreifing: In Full

You can learn more about the child-sex ring operated by Lawrence E. King in the link below:

Child Sex Ring Covered Up By U.S. Government

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 08 May 2012 - 09:54 PM.

[Lexi8187]

gstatuz, on 01 May 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

http://www.inconspic...#!bohemian-club


This article has some great pics on page 2, what do you guys think!?

they were pretty good pics.  i haden't seen them before....good find!

[Lexi8187]

Those videos were a great find!!  Very rare indeed.

[Left-Field]

Being as Paul Bonacci made specific mention of the "Cave Man" club in the area the snuff film was made, and he and two other boys were molested, I feel it is important to note that Bohemian Grove does have a "Cave Man" club (amongst its many others).

Former U.S. Presidents Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon were members of this club.

For those that may doubt it's existence, please note that Wikipedia's listing for Bohemian Grove makes mention of the "Cave Man" club as one of its preeminent camps. You can view this here.

"The Cave Man" is also one of the plays that has been performed at the Grove over the years, as evidenced in the photo below:

Whether or not one is willing to believe Paul Bonacci's telling of a snuff film made, and sexal abuse of minors at Bohemian Grove, it is apparent he has definitely been within the location. Not only is his mention of the "Cave Man" club accurate, but so are the other descriptions he gave of the area.

For those that may claim he could have obtained those details about the place without actually being there it is worth mentioning that the internet was not in existence at the time he described those surroundings.

These facts lend credibility to Bonacci's claims of a snuff film being made at the location - along with sexual abuse he, Nicholas, and the boy from Idaho endured there.

And, as I mentioned in my last post, upon viewing photos of Bohemian Grove, Bonacci has definitively stated it is the place these atrocities took place.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 09 May 2012 - 09:27 AM.

[Flibbertigibbet]

Why is this such an issue? All societies of this type have a form of ritualised play-acting as part of their proceedings. Take the masons, one of their most important ceremonies involves a symbolic death and rebirth with a coffin and skull. This Bohemian Grove looks like a particularly extravagant example, but that's all. They can clearly afford a good show.

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Flibbertigibbet, on 09 May 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Why is this such an issue? All societies of this type have a form of ritualised play-acting as part of their proceedings. Take the masons, one of their most important ceremonies involves a symbolic death and rebirth with a coffin and skull. This Bohemian Grove looks like a particularly extravagant example, but that's all. They can clearly afford a good show.

Please read the posts I link to below and then let me know if you still don't understand what the issues surrounding Bohemian Grove are about.

• Reasons To Question Bohemian Grove Members Behavior
  
• The Chris Jones Incident (Infiltrates Bohemian Grove; Arrested Later On Trumped-Up Charges)
  
• Homosexuals And Pedophiles Connected To Bohemian Grove
  
• Paul Bonacci Tells Of Snuff Film Made And Sexual Abuse Of Minors At Bohemian Grove
  
• Reason To Believe Bonacci Has Been In Bohemian Grove - Lends Credibility To His Claims

If you see nothing wrong with their drunken activites at the Grove, so be it. If you don't believe the Chris Jones incident, fair enough (although I'd encourage you to look deeper into the story).

On the other hand, if you question the homosexual nature of the place, that pedophiles are amongst their membership, and the claims by Paul Bonacci that he was sexually abused there - and that a snuff film was made there (in which a young boy was the one murdered) - then please tell me why.

I invite anyone else who doubts those things to state why as well.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 09 May 2012 - 10:16 AM.

[Flibbertigibbet]

Angel Left Wing, on 09 May 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Please read the posts I link to below and then let me know if you still don't understand what the issues surrounding Bohemian Grove are about.

• Reasons To Question Bohemian Grove Members Behavior
  
• The Chris Jones Incident (Infiltrates Bohemian Grove; Arrested Later On Trumped-Up Charges)
  
• Homosexuals And Pedophiles Connected To Bohemian Grove
  
• Paul Bonacci Tells Of Snuff Film Made And Sexual Abuse Of Minors At Bohemian Grove
  
• Reason To Believe Bonacci Has Been In Bohemian Grove - Lends Credibility To His Claims

If you see nothing wrong with their drunken activites at the Grove, so be it. If you don't believe the Chris Jones incident, fair enough (although I'd encourage you to look deeper into the story).

On the other hand, if you question the homosexual nature of the place, that pedophiles are amongst their membership, and the claims by Paul Bonacci that he was sexually abused there and that a snuff film was made there however (in which a young boy was the one murdered), then please tell me why.

I invite anyone else who doubts those things to state why as well.

The trouble with these allegations is that they come from conspiracy theorists. Also, why is it bad if they are homosexuals?

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Flibbertigibbet, on 09 May 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

The trouble with these allegations is that they come from conspiracy theorists. Also, why is it bad if they are homosexuals?

Paul Bonacci is not a conspiracy theorist. He is the victim of sexual child abuse at the hands of pedophiles.

From your statement, it seems like you have not bothered to read any of the posts I made. If you refuse to read them and / or watch the videos I've presented then there is little sense in me discussing this with you because you aren't willing to acknowledge the reasons behind why Bohemian Grove and the Bohemian Club members are scrutinized.

If you don't believe Bonacci is telling the truth, please explain why. Brushing him off as a conpiracy theorist (which again, he is not) doesn't cut it. It only shows that you aren't interested in learning anything about the Grove that doesn't mesh with your current thoughts of the place.

As for homosexuals, I never said there is anything wrong with that. There is a big difference though between men having sex with other men and men having sex with young boys.

That said, the reason the homesexual activities of these people particularly (and I'm not saying they are all homosexuals) becomes an issue is because this then become a means of compromising and blackmailing these inviduals.

Also, Jeff Gannon being a homosexual male escort / prostitute planted in the Bush Jr. White House as a reporter is an established fact. Read the links I provided or look for information on your own if you do not believe this.

Barney Frank having hired a homosexual male prostitute to be his "personal aid" and "housekeeper" is also an established fact, as is the homosexual prostition service this prostitute ran from Frank's home.

This is important to note because it also lends credibility to Bonacci's allegation, which he made under oath in a court of law, that he was sexually abused by Barney Frank in the basement of his home.

[Flibbertigibbet]

Angel Left Wing, on 09 May 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Paul Bonacci is not a conspiracy theorist. He is the victim of sexual child abuse at the hands of pedophiles.

From your statement, it seems like you have not bothered to read any of the posts I made. If you refuse to read them and / or watch the videos I've presented then there is little sense in me discussing this with you because you aren't willing to acknowledge the reasons behind why Bohemian Grove and the Bohemian Club members are scrutinized.

If you don't believe Bonacci is telling the truth, please explain why. Brushing him off as a conpiracy theorist (which again, he is not) doesn't cut it. It only shows that you aren't interested in learning anything about the Grove that doesn't mesh with your current thoughts of the place.

As for homosexuals, I never said there is anything wrong with that. There is a big difference though between men having sex with other men and men having sex with young boys.

That said, the reason the homesexual activities of these people particularly (and I'm not saying they are all homosexuals) becomes an issue is because this then become a means of compromising and blackmailing these inviduals.

Also, Jeff Gannon being a homosexual male escort / prostitute planted in the Bush Jr. White House as a reporter is an established fact. Read the links I provided or look for information on your own if you do not believe this.

Barney Frank having hired a homosexual male prostitute to be his "personal aid" and "housekeeper" is also an established fact, as is the homosexual prostition service this prostitute ran from Frank's home.

This is important to note because it also lends credibility to Bonacci's allegation, which he made under oath in a court of law, that he was sexually abused by Barney Frank in the basement of his home.

I'm not able to watch the videos right now so will have to take your word for it. But again, by your statements above, you seem to be connecting homosexuality with paedophilia, or at least using the presence of the former as evidence for the latter.

If a bunch of sad old men, with more money than sense, want to dress up and get drunk, and maybe have sex with other men, we are entitled to find it gross and pathetic, but that's all.

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Flibbertigibbet, on 09 May 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

I'm not able to watch the videos right now so will have to take your word for it.

If you read what I wrote it will break-down for you pretty much everything that is contained in the videos. I've also provided links that document some of the other information I've presented.

You've asked a question, and upon me answering it, it seems like you don't bother to acknowledge the answers given and the information presented within them.

Flibbertigibbet, on 09 May 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

But again, by your statements above, you seem to be connecting homosexuality with paedophilia, or at least using the presence of the former as evidence for the latter.

No, I am using Paul Bonnaci's account of what he witnessed, and the abuse he endured at Bohemian Grove, as evidence of both pedophilia activity being had there, along with a snuff film having been made there.

As for the homosexuality part, many of these men are closeted homosexuals - quite a few of them are married with families. Many of these men are also members of the government. As a result, their homosexual activities become a means of compromising and blackmailing them.

In the world of politics that becomes a major problem.

If you are willing to actually be educated about what many of these men are and have been involved in, along with the connection to pedophilia, then I encourage you to read this thread.

You have yet to give a single response that disputes any of the information I've presented, or explains why you doubt it - other than incorrectly labeling Paul Bonacci a conspiracy theorist.

Flibbertigibbet, on 09 May 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

If a bunch of sad old men, with more money than sense, want to dress up and get drunk, and maybe have sex with other men, we are entitled to find it gross and pathetic, but that's all.

When these men are our leaders, and work for and represent us, we have plenty of reason to do more than simply "find it gross and pathetic."

And as I've all ready stated, they don't simply have sex with other men. Some of them are having sex with young boys.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 09 May 2012 - 08:48 PM.

[Flibbertigibbet]

Angel Left Wing, on 09 May 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

If you read what I wrote it will break-down for you pretty much everything that is contained in the videos. I've also provided links that document some of the other information I've presented.

You've asked a question, and upon me answering it, it seems like you don't bother to acknowledge the answers given and the information presented within them.



No, I am using Paul Bonnaci's account of what he witnessed, and the abuse he endured at Bohemian Grove, as evidence of both pedophilia activity being had there, along with a snuff film having been made there.

As for the homosexuality part, many of these men are closeted homosexuals - quite a few of them are married with families. Many of these men are also members of the government. As a result, their homosexual activities become a means of compromising and blackmailing them.

In the world of politics that becomes a major problem.

If you are willing to actually be educated about what many of these men are and have been involved in, along with the connection to pedophilia, then I encourage you to read this thread.

You have yet to give a single response that disputes any of the information I've presented, or explains why you doubt it - other than incorrectly labeling Paul Bonacci a conspiracy theorist.



When these men are our leaders, and work for and represent us, we have plenty of reason to do more than simply "find it gross and pathetic."

And as I've all ready stated, they don't simply have sex with other men. Some of them are having sex with young boys.

They aren't my leaders, and I wouldn't presume to interfere in how America chooses its leaders. Maybe they like them all to be sad old men who can be blackmailed. That must be the case if the conspiracy theorists are right.