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#1    Paracelse

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 05:55 AM

France has a new pres who wants to tax "rich" people 75 %.  Does he seriously thinks it's possible?  And who is gonna benefit from it?


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Europe was plunged into fresh economic chaos last night as France rejected austerity and elected a tax-and-spend socialist president.
Nicolas Sarkozy suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of Francois Hollande, who ran on a platform of tearing up last December’s controversial deal to save the euro from oblivion.
The inexperienced Mr Hollande is now seeking talks with the European Central Bank and German Chancellor Angela  Merkel to demand further borrowing to boost growth.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 06:54 AM

Well, he seemed to achieve something that no UK Prime Mininster has done since 1931, and got more than 50% of the votes, so perhaps this is that rare thing, an actual and genuinely democratic choice .. Also, perhaps, the People are finally beginning to no longer believe that anything is a price worth paying to Save the Euro.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:23 AM

View Post747400, on 07 May 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

Well, he seemed to achieve something that no UK Prime Mininster has done since 1931, and got more than 50% of the votes, so perhaps this is that rare thing, an actual and genuinely democratic choice .. Also, perhaps, the People are finally beginning to no longer believe that anything is a price worth paying to Save the Euro.
As far as the election goes 51.8 % of the voters elected NL, a dude without the clout nor the education to be a pres.  His election is an open door to the extreme right wing of neo-nazi persuation which might be visible very soon at the next legislative elections in June.  Furthermore, a change to the Fr'ench francs would only benefits the bank not the consumers.  But of course that might go way above the head of those who voted for the socialist dude.  I'm just an observer as I do not have the right to vote in France.


Question:  wasn't the last socialist elect in UK Chamberlain, of WW2 Infamous notoriety????

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:37 AM

View PostParacelse, on 07 May 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

As far as the election goes 51.8 % of the voters elected NL, a dude without the clout nor the education to be a pres.  His election is an open door to the extreme right wing of neo-nazi persuation which might be visible very soon at the next legislative elections in June.  Furthermore, a change to the Fr'ench francs would only benefits the bank not the consumers.  But of course that might go way above the head of those who voted for the socialist dude.  I'm just an observer as I do not have the right to vote in France.


Question:  wasn't the last socialist elect in UK Chamberlain, of WW2 Infamous notoriety????

Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative. His policy of appeasement, whatever else it may or may not have achieved, at the very least delayed the war by about 18 months, a crucial time in which the UK was able to massively build up its virtually non-existent air force, which later saved Britain in 1940.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:43 AM

View PostParacelse, on 07 May 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

As far as the election goes 51.8 % of the voters elected NL, a dude without the clout nor the education to be a pres. His election is an open door to the extreme right wing of neo-nazi persuation which might be visible very soon at the next legislative elections in June. Furthermore, a change to the Fr'ench francs would only benefits the bank not the consumers. But of course that might go way above the head of those who voted for the socialist dude. I'm just an observer as I do not have the right to vote in France.


Question: wasn't the last socialist elect in UK Chamberlain, of WW2 Infamous notoriety????
Chamberlain Socialist? he was a Tory. I think (tony Blair doesn't count) the last Labour PM was Jim Callaghan in the 70s.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:13 AM

Sorry about the Chamberlain thingy didn't think he was a conservative, got confused with the French government.  Doesn't change what I say about NL.  PS Holland the country is marked NL on cars so now I call the new French pres NL

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:14 AM

Is France going to be friends with us now ?..and stop illegals hitching lifts to G.B..or are we a French Annexe linked by the tunnel.We seem to just fumble along going from crisis to crisis,but at least there was some sense it not having the euro as currency (mickey mouse money).and now we have the Blair witch saying that he would like to be back,and William Hague pretending to be Churchill,what a bloody mess,but who have we to put it right ? Bring back Tommy Cooper ha ha.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:01 AM

It has to be said.  If this 75% tax on amounts above 1 million euros (that's how I heard it told, only for amounts above) then I am pretty sure Fox News will be renaming their favorite fried food "Freedom Fries" again :whistle:

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:35 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 07 May 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

Is France going to be friends with us now ?..and stop illegals hitching lifts to G.B..or are we a French Annexe linked by the tunnel.We seem to just fumble along going from crisis to crisis,but at least there was some sense it not having the euro as currency (mickey mouse money).and now we have the Blair witch saying that he would like to be back,and William Hague pretending to be Churchill,what a bloody mess,but who have we to put it right ? Bring back Tommy Cooper ha ha.

French people can't be friends with anyone otherwise they wouldn't be French :P.... as far as immigration goes it might be a good thing for people on the other side of the chunnel... the illegals will stay in France and get money for free.

View PostlibstaK, on 07 May 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

It has to be said.  If this 75% tax on amounts above 1 million euros (that's how I heard it told, only for amounts above) then I am pretty sure Fox News will be renaming their favorite fried food "Freedom Fries" again :whistle:

Well Fox gnuzz will only say the French are fried :P  and yes NL said he will tax people who are making over 1 million euros a year 75% but if he does I'm sure that by the day it's done he will have his own money in the wold of chocolate......Zwizerland

Edited by Paracelse, 07 May 2012 - 10:36 AM.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:37 AM

The world markets certainly seem a tad upset over the news.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:39 AM

THERE'S an idea....TAX the SWISS!!!!!  They have no army and are pacifists, the lot!   :w00t:

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:56 AM

View Postand then, on 07 May 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

The world markets certainly seem a tad upset over the news.

Euro lost 10 cents between last night and this morning...

View Postand then, on 07 May 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

THERE'S an idea....TAX the SWISS!!!!!  They have no army and are pacifists, the lot!   :w00t:

Do you think our worldwide fearless leaders would do that??? They wouldn't have a place to hide their dough :P  :whistle:

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:04 PM

bye bye euro, - France is rocking the boat but the newly elected government in Greece might just sink it. whatever happens its not going to end well. problems in Spain and Italy havent gone away.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

View Post747400, on 07 May 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

Well, he seemed to achieve something that no UK Prime Mininster has done since 1931, and got more than 50% of the votes,

That's only because France has got a different electoral system than Britain, not because Hollande is somehow more popular than any recent British PM.

Britain has a simple FPTP electoral system, meaning whichever party gets the most seats in Parliament (and a majority of the seats) wins, no matter what percentage of votes they won.  As long as they get enough votes to have the majority of Parliamentary seats then they win.

The French electoral system is different.  They have to keep going through different rounds of voting until one candidate gets over 50%.  So one candidate ALWAYS gets over 50% of the vote.

So in the first round of voting in this French election, none of the candidates received over 50% of the vote, so the top two of the first round - Sarkozy and Hollande - went to the second round.

This meant that one of the candidates HAD to get over 50% of the votes in the second round, and that was Hollande.

It's interesting to note that in the first round of voting, Hollande got a paltry 28.63% of the votes and Sarkozy got 27.18% of the votes so you could argue that, in this respect, both candidates did worse than any recent British election-winner.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:19 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 07 May 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

bye bye euro, - France is rocking the boat but the newly elected government in Greece might just sink it. whatever happens its not going to end well. problems in Spain and Italy havent gone away.

This is what happen when elected officials give away money they don't have in the first place,

Edited by Paracelse, 07 May 2012 - 12:21 PM.

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