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[the_twilightzone]

ColoradoParanormal, on 14 May 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

No, they're dumb, And using one of the actual definitions of DUMB as well.
a : lacking intelligence : stupid b : showing a lack of intelligence c : requiring no intelligence. Or at least most. Also, the reason any "evidence" obtained in Ghost Mills such as this cannot be even considered credible, is due to the motive and increasing need to fake and/or create evidence. More Ghosts equals more money.

Oh, I'm aware of the definition of 'dumb,' but thanks.  I still think 'naive' is a more appropriate term.

I don't understand the condescension, frankly.

Edited by the_twilightzone, 15 May 2012 - 12:17 PM.

[Spky777]

If its real then its a great catch.  I always thought they should leave a camera in there 24/7.  Just think of the things they would capture on film.
The place is abandoned, empty and very quiet so who knows what things have been attracted to the building.

[3amfright]

Brian Topp, on 11 May 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

You know I have the same problem with batteries draining. Normally it's user error, where you forgot to recharge them or even you didn't shut the camera down or you let it go to sleep mode (still uses batteryes) or that time i was in disneyland after 10minutes my batteries were dead. Funny old world isn't it.

If people have issues with digital cameras then time to use good ole Film cameras but blaming paranormal for battery drain is a joke.

Perhaps.

Unless you know how to use a camera. Fun thing about going to art school, they teach you to know the intstruments you are using well. I'm a pretty realistic person. My batteries are always fully charged & I always keep not one, but two sets of spare batteries just bought & never opened. I also use to work at a store. I know how long a batteries shelf life is & how to read the coded packaging date to know what is new from factory & what has been sitting.

SO when my batteries die & I put new ones in & those die or when my camera has be shut of & turned back on, a menu check run & my system manually examined & I still can't get it to take a picture until after I leave...I take into consideration that there is AT LEAST an electrical or mangetic field I cannot account for. IF that field moves around & I'm also experience some strange feelings & hearing unexplained audio, I have to assume something beyond my understanding, something paranormal (at its most basic definition) is occuring.

[Brian Topp]

3amfright, on 25 May 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Perhaps.

Unless you know how to use a camera. Fun thing about going to art school, they teach you to know the intstruments you are using well. I'm a pretty realistic person. My batteries are always fully charged & I always keep not one, but two sets of spare batteries just bought & never opened. I also use to work at a store. I know how long a batteries shelf life is & how to read the coded packaging date to know what is new from factory & what has been sitting.

SO when my batteries die & I put new ones in & those die or when my camera has be shut of & turned back on, a menu check run & my system manually examined & I still can't get it to take a picture until after I leave...I take into consideration that there is AT LEAST an electrical or mangetic field I cannot account for. IF that field moves around & I'm also experience some strange feelings & hearing unexplained audio, I have to assume something beyond my understanding, something paranormal (at its most basic definition) is occuring.

So you telling me you are never EVER forgetful. You never forget where you left your cell phone, where you misplaced your car keys, forgot your home phone number? Forgot an appointment? Even if you made a routine on doing it you be amazed how you can assume you done it already and skipped it. So you claiming you check every time can be only taken from your perspection when you wrote that.

Since you brought the art out. I did photopgraphy and film courses. I did sound editing (i'll touch base on that in a moment), I done Film and battery operated cameras, I done video editing, sound editing. They taught me a lot of the skills i use for every day work and even reviewing here. I busted about 7ish people with fake videos (sadly as soon as the original poster confesses the admin instantly deletes or move it away). Any way to audio.

Audio recorders can pick up audiable noises very easily from great distances. I once put my 20gb voice recorder in an old truck, filled it will pillows with the device, covered the trunk in blankets and walked off the other side of the house and sang for an hour with no other noise in the house. I sung the "song that never ends". I come back and after 3 days I found very low fragments of my singing.

Also as a few of my fellow skeptics pointed out, when tampering with sound you can corrupt the original recording. Also using sound is hard to use as evidence since i can easily replicate noises.

I am sticking to Human or Machine Error.

Edited by Brian Topp, 26 May 2012 - 12:19 AM.

[coldethyl]

LOL at the "song that never ends".

[Archimedes]

You know, if it's actually true that ghosts emit electromagnetic fields that drain batteries (I'm not sure how that would even work, don't you need a conductor connecting the terminals of a battery to drain the current, especially that fast?) then ghost hunters should be out there shooting photographs on old school entirely mechanical 35mm cameras.

No batteries or electronics to be disrupted by mysterious magnetic fields there.

[3amfright]

Brian Topp, on 26 May 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

So you telling me you are never EVER forgetful. You never forget where you left your cell phone, where you misplaced your car keys, forgot your home phone number? Forgot an appointment? Even if you made a routine on doing it you be amazed how you can assume you done it already and skipped it. So you claiming you check every time can be only taken from your perspection when you wrote that.

Since you brought the art out. I did photopgraphy and film courses. I did sound editing (i'll touch base on that in a moment), I done Film and battery operated cameras, I done video editing, sound editing. They taught me a lot of the skills i use for every day work and even reviewing here. I busted about 7ish people with fake videos (sadly as soon as the original poster confesses the admin instantly deletes or move it away). Any way to audio.

Audio recorders can pick up audiable noises very easily from great distances. I once put my 20gb voice recorder in an old truck, filled it will pillows with the device, covered the trunk in blankets and walked off the other side of the house and sang for an hour with no other noise in the house. I sung the "song that never ends". I come back and after 3 days I found very low fragments of my singing.

Also as a few of my fellow skeptics pointed out, when tampering with sound you can corrupt the original recording. Also using sound is hard to use as evidence since i can easily replicate noises.

I am sticking to Human or Machine Error.

I agree with you. That can all happen. Which is why you have to take it into account . If I can't say I checked my list off in order & was certain, I always take forgetfulness into account. You just have to. In all of my experiences I have only had 2 audios I could not dismiss as being something else. One occurred when I was much younger & Need say in hindsight I wish I would have saved it but it was deleted.

The 2cnd I have yet to figure out. The investigation was in an old hotel where only the first floor & hall was in use. The other 2 floors were closed off because they were attempting to remodel them. Ran the recorder for about 2 minutes. Talked loudly. Made it clear there were other people coming & going. The recorder remained in my hand as I stood still for the most apart, except for the one time you hear me move. When I later reviewed it, over distant voices & under my voice was an unusual sound. Personally it sounds like someone breathing & sighing into the recorder. It's loud enough to be prevalent & I don't boost audio because your ears can play tricks on low laying sounds. This sound is definitely air or a breath into the recorder. There was a radiator in the room but it was completely disconnected, & I was facing away from it.

So what would you say is the machine error? It never occurred on the other recordings from that night. It hasn't happened since either. Human error...would require someone breathing into the recorder as I held it at waist level. You can hear it right away with head phones or really good speakers. In fact, if you are curious I would gladly share it with you. I'm curious to see what it could be besides what it sounds like.

I'm not a faker that takes too much energy & I'm a realist with an open mind. I go through a very progressive ocd list to make sure any evidence I capture is true. In the 20+ years of experiences I have had, this audio is the only thing I can actually share. The rest are just personal accounts & I have yet to ever capture something in picture I can't dismiss.

[ellerja]

it would seem rolling hills is small compared to waverly hills in Ky.both claim to be the most haunted.it looks from google earth to be in the middle of nowhere.