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#1    Waspie_Dwarf

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:33 PM

Moderator notice

As noted by Saru yesterday, the original Did we land on the moon? topic has grown too long, and is now closed.

Please continue the discussion here.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:36 PM

R.I.P. legendary original "Did we land on the moon ?" thread. :(


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:49 PM

View PostJonathanVonErich, on 14 May 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

R.I.P. legendary original "Did we land on the moon ?" thread. :(

It's not dead, rather like a Time Lord, it has regenerated.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:06 PM

View PostJonathanVonErich, on 14 May 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

R.I.P. legendary original "Did we land on the moon ?" thread. :(

Technically, that thread wasn't the original thread on this topic. There was another long thread that, from my understanding, was closed due largely to the behaviour of some of the participants.





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Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:22 PM

View PostCzero 101, on 14 May 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:



Technically, that thread wasn't the original thread on this topic. There was another long thread that, from my understanding, was closed due largely to the behaviour of some of the participants.

There have been many. Things were restricted to a single thread because things got a bit nasty and this one subject was taking up a ludicrous amount of moderator time. Although it can still be heated this subject is not the problem it once was.

I once compiled a list of all the Apollo hoax threads I could find. Most are now closed and most of the others should be, to stop necroposting. For reference purposes I will find that list and re-post it here. It will have to wait until tomorrow, however, as I have more important things to do... I'm on my way to the pub :)

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:21 PM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 14 May 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

There have been many. Things were restricted to a single thread because things got a bit nasty and this one subject was taking up a ludicrous amount of moderator time. Although it can still be heated this subject is not the problem it once was.

I once compiled a list of all the Apollo hoax threads I could find. Most are now closed and most of the others should be, to stop necroposting. For reference purposes I will find that list and re-post it here. It will have to wait until tomorrow, however, as I have more important things to do... I'm on my way to the pub :)

A daunting project Waspie.
I suspect the pub was a lot more inviting!

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:09 PM

Who has the dead horse?

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:48 PM

As promised, here is a list of previous "Apollo hoax" topics. I can't guarantee that it is complete, but it is as comprehensive as possible. Please note that this list is not in chronological order. The list was originally grouped firstly by whether The topic was closed or still open and then by which forum The topic was in. I have also included so threads I missed in my original list, plus some that started after I made it.

I have not included those threads, which whilst about lunar discoveries, are not about The conspiracy theory. I have also not included those threads from The UFO forum which claim that NASA are covering up ET discoveries/contact during Apollo.

If anyone finds a topic I have missed please feel free to PM with The link and I will edit this post to include it.

Also feel free to contact me if you find a broken link. I believe I have tested them all, but with so many I may have missed one or two.



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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:23 AM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 15 May 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

As promised, here is a list of previous "Apollo hoax" topics. I can't guarantee that it is complete, but it is as comprehensive as possible. Please note that this list is not in chronological order. The list was originally grouped firstly by whether The topic was closed or still open and then by which forum The topic was in. I have also included so threads I missed in my original list, plus some that started after I made it.

I have not included those threads, which whilst about lunar discoveries, are not about The conspiracy theory. I have also not included those threads from The UFO forum which claim that NASA are covering up ET discoveries/contact during Apollo.

If anyone finds a topic I have missed please feel free to PM with The link and I will edit this post to include it.

Also feel free to contact me if you find a broken link. I believe I have tested them all, but with so many I may have missed one or two.




I think #8 was The original marathon Moon Hoax thread.
memory tells me that S3th and Kilter appeared right away in that one...and there they both are, quickly.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 02:27 AM

So the bottom line is ? ANd not number 40. the moon landings are still the most amazing thing Mankind has done to Date !

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 05:25 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 16 May 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

So the bottom line is ? ANd not number 40. the moon landings are still the most amazing thing Mankind has done to Date !

I agree and I was amazed at the size of the Saturn rocket as it launched off the pad, and as I look back, I am still amazed.  I remember an accident where the Soviet Union built a rocket and the thing blew up killing many of its engineers and technicians.

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It is difficult to imagine that there are people who actually think that the United States spent billions of dollars to concoct moon hoax missions, which would have been easy to reveal and no guarantee that everyone would have kept their mouths shut.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:54 AM

I look at many of those thread titles and whiff the odour of Stray Dog.


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 03:46 PM

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Did we land on the moon?

Just my personal opinion but... yes, I think we did. It would be impossible to have staged such an event and then have it remain undiscovered forever. With China, Russia, India and Japan sending robotic missions, a non-landing would have been outed, loudly... especially now with all the trendy anti-American sentiment going around.

What I find interesting, though, is that we've never returned... to the surface, that is. Aside from crashing a rocket booster into the lunar south pole, we really haven't taken advantage of what is, clearly, a mineral/mining wonderland. And now, we're even making plans to travel to mine the asteroids while still ignoring the moon only a few days journey away!

It defies every bit of logic you toss at it.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 04:24 PM

View PostRedoubt, on 16 May 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

Aside from crashing a rocket booster into the lunar south pole, we really haven't taken advantage of what is, clearly, a mineral/mining wonderland. And now, we're even making plans to travel to mine the asteroids while still ignoring the moon only a few days journey away!

It defies every bit of logic you toss at it.
It seems to me that you are making the classic mistake of saying something defies logic when the actual problem is that you have not considered, or are not in possession, of all the facts.

The Moon may only have 1/6th gravity but that is still a considerable amount of fuel that would be needed to launch any meaningful quantity of mined material from it's surface. That fuel needs to be launched from the earth in the first place, meaning larger or more numerous launch vehicles, meaning more expense.

Asteroids have negligible surface gravity, so whilst they may be furthet away, in terms of robotic mining, they are more economically viable.

I really don't want to take this too far off topic, there is a thread in the "Space Exploration and Spaceflight" section where further discussion on this subject would be better placed: Plans for asteroid mining emerge

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 04:29 PM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 16 May 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

It seems to me that you are making the classic mistake of saying something defies logic when the actual problem is that you have not considered, or are not in possession, of all the facts.

I really don't want to take this too far off topic, there is a thread in the "Space Exploration and Spaceflight" section where further discussion on this subject would be better placed: Plans for asteroid mining emerge

Excuse me?

Mister/Ms Mod, please allow me to tell you that I grew up in Florida during the days of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. I had family members that worked on the cape... we could stand in the front yard and see the rockets against the night sky. So, I defend my life as enough knowledge to allow me to discuss this topic with anyone.

Second, I mentioned asteroids in context to the subject of whether or not we actually landed on the moon.

Did I make a mistake by commenting on this site/subject? I really don't get the way you responded... especially as a mod.

Edited by Redoubt, 16 May 2012 - 04:30 PM.

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