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#1921    DONTEATUS

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:47 PM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 15 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

I have not read the full 128 pages of this thread, or the preceding 128,000  pages that came before.  I have skimmed about 30 pages from various places and I don't think this has been suggested anywhere.  This is my very own personal theory, based on 2 things I consider absolute fact.

1 - In July, 1969.  Edwin, Michael and Neil went to the moon.  They collected data, rock samples, did other aspects of their job, and then came home.  Basically, we have been to the moon.

2 - Some of the photo's taken by Apollo 11's crew are incredibly odd/anomalous.  These anomalies have not been explained to my satisfaction.  (Your satisfaction level may be different...)

So, my theory...

Collins and the other 2 nipped off to the moon, and did their jobs, just as the official story records.  Now, the camera's used by the Apollo missions at the time, were 70mm Hasselblad camera's; Chest mounted.  Pretty damn good at the time. Now I dunno if any of you have left a roll of film in a suitcase that gets X-Rayed at an airport...  It ruins the pictures.

Is it possible, that after getting to the moon and back, safely, within the decade JFK said it would happen, our heroes return to Terra Firma only to discover that the Camera's were not shielded enough from X-ray's and other forms of radiation/energy they would encounter and the film was blank?  Rather than admit this pretty basic error, someone at NASA chose to fake some photo's to keep the people happy...  Probably not possible, probably not likely.  But a lot more likely than the whole mission being fake...

It's just a theory...
Im really sorry you never got to meet Mid Spinebreaker,He would of helped you out on all of that miss-conception ! And You would now be so much better for it !  THe Moon Missions were and always be THe Facts that Mankind Did Wonderous things in the Late 60`s and 70`s

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:30 AM

Spinebreaker,

May i ask you to show an anomaly you can't process, i could be able to explain to you.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:13 AM

Ditto. I have covered them extensively, so figure I might have an answer to anything you think is strange.  BTW, it is really good etiquette when you do show a photo, quote its NASA ID number, if known (e.g. AS11-123-56770).

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:32 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 15 May 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

Im really sorry you never got to meet Mid Spinebreaker,He would of helped you out on all of that miss-conception ! And You would now be so much better for it !  THe Moon Missions were and always be THe Facts that Mankind Did Wonderous things in the Late 60`s and 70`s

Hmm.  Perhaps you should read more carefully.

What I sad was...  " I consider absolute fact.

1 - In July, 1969.  Edwin, Michael and Neil went to the moon.  They collected data, rock samples, did other aspects of their job, and then came home.  Basically, we have been to the moon."

At no point in my post did I say otherwise.  I believe we went to the moon.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:33 AM

Obvious and Karrde - I'll get back to you with some pics later.  Gotta go and pick my son up from playgroup.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:12 AM

Add me to that list - I'l be happy to explain any allegedly anomalous image in terms of real photographic knowledge - I even used to shoot using a very similar Hasselblad back in the 70's and 80's...  Well, OK, so it wasn't on the Moon and mainly involved people in suits and long white gowns..and I used a Bronica more often than the Hass... but nevertheless, I'm pretty handy when it comes to film, cameras and photography in difficult conditions..  What's more, over they years I've pored over all of the Apollo images - some shallowly, some in excruciating detail..

And do I think there are any anomalous images in that massive collection, all of which are documented and easy to access/verify?

Nope.

To be fair though.. there is one that is, in my opinion, a trifle odd and worthy of a question.. but there is an answer!  Is it 'anomalous'?  No.  In any way evidence of any misbehavior? No.  (Which one do I think is odd?  No, I'm not telling publicly - I don't feed Apollo-denying trolls..  PM me if you are genuinely interested.)

Spinebreaker, can I please suggest that you choose carefully - have you actually researched this area before?  If you just repeat stuff that has already been covered here, there will be loud groans and potential embarrassment..

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 12:00 PM

And to address what was already posted:

View PostSpinebreaker, on 15 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

I have not read the full 128 pages of this thread, or the preceding 128,000  pages that came before.
Well, perhaps you need to.  Or at least visit the many sites around that deal with the silliness of Apollo denial...

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1 - In July, 1969.  Edwin, Michael and Neil went to the moon.  They collected data, rock samples, did other aspects of their job, and then came home.  Basically, we have been to the moon.
Yes, that is absolutely correct.

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2 - Some of the photo's taken by Apollo 11's crew are incredibly odd/anomalous.
No, they aren't.  If you dispute this, please present your best two examples for a start.  If those are not anomalous, then it is very likely your (lack of) expertise that is the problem, agreed?

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These anomalies have not been explained to my satisfaction.  (Your satisfaction level may be different...)
Your satisfaction (or mine) is somewhat irrelevant.  ALL of the following is easily accessible and verifiable:
- the actual imagery from Apollo, in the form of historical and more recent high-resolution scans (- you can even get access to the original film if you have a genuine need to verify something)
- the specifications of the cameras, lenses and film cartridges and (in most cases) the settings used for each image
- the films used, including the type of emulsion/base, sensitivity curves, etc
- the lunar conditions, namely the lack of atmosphere, radiation levels (type and intensity), heat loadings, light levels..
So, at any level from simple identification of what is shown and why the images look as they do, right up to fuller analysis of exposure settings / film sensitivity, reseau plate haloing/flare, likely radiation effects and so on - these things can be analysed in exhaustive detail.  As you can probably see from those words, this is an area I know very well..

And indeed they HAVE BEEN analysed, not just during the Apollo missions but also, of course, in the use before and after Apollo of similar photographic equipment.  We knew BEFORE Apollo pretty much what was needed to be known about the conditions on the Moon and how these cameras would cope - as we had already had cameras in space on previous missions like Gemini, and then in missions like Apollo 10 they had been tested all the way there and back..)

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Now, the camera's used by the Apollo missions at the time, were 70mm Hasselblad camera's; Chest mounted.
Yes, but on a quick release mechanism that allowed easy removal.  Plus the astronauts had all practised their use beforehand, including basic aiming techniques (the same techniques that us paparazzi use all the time when 'shooting from the hip'...).  Not that I can guess what your next claim might be... :P

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Now I dunno if any of you have left a roll of film in a suitcase that gets X-Rayed at an airport...  It ruins the pictures.
Well, I now know that you don't really get how radiation works (or in this case - doesn't).  First up, yes a luggage xray machine may damage your film, but a carry on xray machine probably won't.  Pre-911 I often use to let my films travel thru the carryon xray machines twice when I went on location - and as long as it wasn't high speed stuff, it would be absolutely fine.  Nowadays the machines are stronger, so if I was still using film I might be a little more cautious...  Thing is, this whole idea is wrong on more than one level..
First, 'radiation' is a general term for a whole range of stuff, from the warmth of a fire, to gentle dawn sunlight, microwaves, torch beams,  lasers, radio waves, xrays, gamma ...  How many of those wreck film?  And second, can you not see that intensity and duration are also critical, not to mention whether that type of radiation even affects the film in the first place?

So you cannot usefully compare a random xray machine to conditions on the Moon - it's just silly.  The TYPE and INTENSITY and DURATION of the radiation makes a huge difference (- xrays aren't much an issue on the Moon anyway)...  For the actual type, intensity and duration of the actual radiation on the Moon, the standard aluminium housing would have been sufficient to protect the film, but it was thickened and coated with a reflective paint to be extra sure.

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Is it possible, that after getting to the moon and back, safely, within the decade JFK said it would happen, our heroes return to Terra Firma only to discover that the Camera's were not shielded enough from X-ray's and other forms of radiation/energy they would encounter and the film was blank?
As stated above, and as proven by the Apollo 11 mission which you accept.., NO, it isn't.  We knew then and know even more accurately now what radiation/heat load levels were there - it was barely a problem worthy of concern - and I'm happy to elaborate in detail if needed.

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Rather than admit this pretty basic error
But the error is YOURS!

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someone at NASA chose to fake some photo's to keep the people happy...
And you will now post your best example of such a faked image and give your technical reasoning..

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Probably not possible, probably not likely.
Probably not even worthy of considering, imnsho..

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But a lot more likely than the whole mission being fake...
All of the missions being real is a much simpler explanation, and unlike this conjecture, it fits all the facts and evidence.

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It's just a theory...
No, a theory is something quite different.  This is just idle and uninformed conjecture, I'm afraid..

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

Can just ask Chrisz, have you been particularly angered by some Apollo deniers before?  To the extent that you are coming across as slightly aggressive toward someone just interested in a discussion...

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So in 1616 they already had control,
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:37 PM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 16 May 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Can just ask Chrisz, have you been particularly angered by some Apollo deniers before?  To the extent that you are coming across as slightly aggressive toward someone just interested in a discussion...

Your first portion of your post already stated you didn't read through the thread.

Then you post obvious conjecture and stated a theory that photographic evidence is "anomalous" in your own opinion without posting a photograph that includes an explaination why you feel that way.

And you wonder why the veteran posters on this topic posted the way they did?

Amazing...



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:47 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 16 May 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

Your first portion of your post already stated you didn't read through the thread.

Then you post obvious conjecture and stated a theory that photographic evidence is "anomalous" in your own opinion without posting a photograph that includes an explaination why you feel that way.

And you wonder why the veteran posters on this topic posted the way they did?

Amazing...

There's an old rule from Stan Lee's days at Marvel.  Every issue is someone's first.

It's a good rule, ensured Marvel got new readers weekly.

You expect everyone to read hundreds and hundreds of pages before making a comment???  Really?

Every post might be someone's first.  Not everyone might return for a second.  Sorry I came I and started to join the discussion in a relevent thread... I'l leave it for the 'veteran posters'.

Have a great evening.

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Of what they thought you and I were allowed to know.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:52 PM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 16 May 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:



There's an old rule from Stan Lee's days at Marvel.  Every issue is someone's first.

It's a good rule, ensured Marvel got new readers weekly.

You expect everyone to read hundreds and hundreds of pages before making a comment???  Really?

Every post might be someone's first.  Not everyone might return for a second.  Sorry I came I and started to join the discussion in a relevent thread... I'l leave it for the 'veteran posters'.

Have a great evening.

Yet you came here with a relevant topic of discussion, not asked a single question, posted your opinion without posting why you feel that way regarding Apollo 11 photos and not even bother including photos that make you wonder...

Tell me again how that is a discussion and not posting conjecture?



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:13 PM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 16 May 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Can just ask Chrisz, have you been particularly angered by some Apollo deniers before?  To the extent that you are coming across as slightly aggressive toward someone just interested in a discussion...

Try re-reading my post without an angry tone..  If you still think it's 'angry' then report it or alternatively, QUOTE the section that makes you infer my emotive state..  And explain why you would rather talk about your impression of my attitude, than post the images to back up your claims..

I see from your last post that it appears you wish to just post your 'theory' and then vanish without backing it up.

I'm getting a strong impression of something here, but I'll be delighted if I'm proven wrong..

So I'll continue to wait in hope for your best examples of fakery...

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:06 PM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 16 May 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

What I sad was...  " I consider absolute fact.

1 - In July, 1969.  Edwin, Michael and Neil went to the moon.  They collected data, rock samples, did other aspects of their job, and then came home.  Basically, we have been to the moon."

At no point in my post did I say otherwise.  I believe we went to the moon.

I am glad that we have found common ground in that respect. Yes indeed, we have sent men to the moon and returned them safely back to earth.

KEEP YOUR MACH UP AND CHECK SIX

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:15 PM

View Postflyingswan, on 12 May 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

That's not my post.  You really do have this problem with facts, don't you?

You're right, it was Waspie's post. As such, he should answer for the false claims within it. So that part is his responsibility.

Hoever, you DID query me about the quote - AFTER I'D ALREADY EXPLAINED THE QUOTE WAS MEANT IN JEST!
So you made a false claim here, and you've totally failed to admit to it.

I don't think you ever will own up to your part in all this, somehow...


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:05 AM

Good So Now We can Sleep ! We Went to the Moon and returned in safety !

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