Here's a new rant, in real OLB style:
About those Magyar/Magi:
We should not forget that the original text of the OLB gives this spelling:
Mâgjara In English that would be Magiara.
Their chief was called Magy.
The way the OLB describes these
Magiara no way resembles the Hungarian variety.
The Magiara had temples/churches (kaerka) with statues inside them, a high priest (Magy), while the Hungarian Magyar had a shamanistic religion, no temples and no statues.
The Magiar are said to have arrived in Europe 2194-101= 2093 BCE, while the Magyar arrived millennia later.
The next quote (Sandbach's translation, adapted) is also great in creating extra confusion:
The priests are the only rulers; they call themselves Magiara, and their headman Magy. He is high priest and king in one. The rest of the people are of no account, and in subjection to them. This people have not even a name; but we call them Finna,
So they DO have a name, Magiar, but then it is said they DON'T have a name...
but that depends on how you read the sentence.
The people are called Finna, but
their cast of priests are called Magiar and the head of those priests Magy. This cast of priests carry weapons made from copper, the common people (the Finna) carry stone weapons.
Magi (pron.: /ˈmeɪdʒaɪ/; Latin plural of magus; Ancient Greek: μάγος magos; Old Persian: maguš, Persian: مُغ mogh; English singular magian, mage, magus, magusian, magusaean ; kurdish magi ) is a term, used since at least the 6th century BC, to denote followers of Mazdaism or Zoroaster. The earliest known usage of the word Magi is in the trilingual inscription written by Darius the Great, known as the Behistun Inscription.
Starting later, presumably during the Hellenistic period, the word Magi also denotes followers of what the Hellenistic chroniclers incorrectly associated Zoroaster with, which was – in the main – the ability to read the stars, and manipulate the fate that the stars foretold.[citation needed] However, Old Persian texts, pre-dating the Hellenistic period, refer to a Magus as a Mazdaic, and presumably Zoroastrian, priest.
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Their influence was also widespread throughout Asia Minor. It is, therefore, quite likely that the sacerdotal caste of the Magi was distinct from the Median tribe of the same name."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi
Now why would these Finna have priests that called themselves Magiar and a head priest called Magy?
The real Magi were followers of Zoroaster, the founder of Zoroastrianism.
And I think it is another example of creative OLB wordfk: Zoroaster, Zoro Aster... Aster Sea, anyone?
And, as we know, the OLB Aster Sea is the Eastern Sea, the Baltic.
Zoroastrian
1743, from Zoroaster, from Latin Zoroastres, from Old Persian Zarathushtra, 6c. or 7c. B.C.E. Persian religious teacher. The name appears to be literally "whose camels are old," from *zarant "old" (cognate with Greek geron, genitive gerontos "old").
http://www.etymonlin...searchmode=none
Zoroaster's name in his native language, Avestan, was probably Zaraϑuštra. His English name, "Zoroaster", and the derivatives from a later (5th-century BCE) Greek transcription, Zōroastrēs (Ζωροάστρης), as used in Xanthus's Lydiaca (Fragment 32) and in Plato's First Alcibiades (122a1). This form appears subsequently in the Latin Zōroastrēs and, in later Greek orthographies, as Zōroastris. The Greek form of the name appears to be based on a phonetic transliteration or semantic substitution of the Avestan zaraϑ- with the Greek zōros (literally "undiluted") and the Avestan -uštra with astron ("star").
In Avestan, Zaraϑuštra is generally accepted to derive from an Old Iranian *Zaratuštra-. While zarat- is strongly referenced to mean "golden" (from the old Eastern-Iranian zar- [-زر], meaning "gold") it does not itself appear in Avestan.[citation needed] The second half of the name (-uštra-) is universally accepted to mean "camel".[4][a] These factors combined open the door for reconstructing the name's meaning, though there have been other alternative etymologies proposed.
And read the rest here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroaster
The date of Zoroaster, i.e., the date of composition of the Old Avestan gathas, is unknown. Classical writers such as Plutarch proposed dates prior to 6000 BC. Dates proposed in scholarly literature diverge widely, between the 18th and the 6th centuries BC [10]
10.^ "Controversy over Zaraϑuštra's date has been an embarrassment of long standing to Zoroastrian studies. If anything approaching a consensus exists, it is that he lived no later than 1000 BC, give or take a century or so, though reputable scholars have proposed dates as widely apart as 1750 BCE and '258 years before Alexander.'" (Encyclopedia Iranica)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroaster
Zarathushtra, known as Zoroaster by the Greeks, lived thousands of years ago on the mountainous steppes of Ancient Iran. Some sources, such as Plato and Socrates, claim Zoroaster lived 6,500 years before the Trojan War. This would place the life of Zoroaster around 7,000 BC. Other datings, based on linguistics, however, place the live of Zarathushtra around the 17th-18th Century BCE, about 3700 years ago.
http://www.zarathush...rathushtra.html
Noruz, the new day in Persian, is the cyclical celebration of the Spring Equinox. Instituted by the Zoroastrians well over 3800 years ago, and it is the most cherished and celebrated of all Iranian festivals; - it has been observed by all peoples of the broad Iranian world for millennia. Noruz commemorates the periodic rebirth and rejuvenation of nature, and has been observed in one form or another by all the major cultures that came in touch with Iranian culture, known as 'Persianate Societies'.
http://www.cais-soas...uz_iranians.htm
but according to the historian Bede the English name "Easter" comes from a pagan celebration by the Germanic tribes of the vernal (spring) equinox.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox
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Edited by Abramelin, 27 February 2013 - 03:48 PM.
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Apol, on 25 February 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:
