Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[The Puzzler]

Almanaland = Almenum (nowadays part of Harlingen), just opposite of Wieringen. s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almenum . Alderga is a river, which ends in Hoorn. s. http://home.tiscali....schiedenis.html

Velius (1740) schrijft op p. 9: "….Hoorn ook geen dorp, maer alleenlijk slechts een sluise met een overtoom, daerdeur het lant sijn binnen-water plach te lossen…." "Daer was eertijds (soo geseyd is) in den dijk een groote sluyse met een overtoom; aen d'oostsijde van den Roode-steen (so onse markt tegenwoordelijk genoemt werd) dienende den landlieden om het binnen water uyt te lossen, en ook dagelijks voor een in en uytvaert tot de zee. Binnen liep de Tocht daer op, die doen de Gou genoemt werd, en noch heden by de Koepoort is….."

Almanaland:

A legend says that a miraculous red banner called Magnusvaan was included in the walls of the St. Michaëlsdom church. This flag, according to legend, belonged to Friso the founder of the Frisian people. It had miraculous powers to avert lightning and storms, to repel evil spirits, and make one invincible. After Friso's death he was buried with the flag and no one knew of it. Willibrord the apostle to the Frisians, had a dream where an angel pointed out the spot where the red flag lay buried. The bishop Willibrord excavated it and gave it to Magnus Forteman. The flag was used when Magnus conquered Rome. After this it was hidden again in the wall of the church at Almenum. The Saxons searched for it and could not find it, and legend has it that no one will be able to find it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almenum

I'll just add that mention of Friso, even though it might be known already by some, I think it's an interesting mention that bears repeating.

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This is a map of Old Saxony - it has 'Mimigerneford' written on it. (Although you might need your glasses). Near Westfalia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saxe_primitive.JPG

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[The Puzzler]

I found Aldland!

The neighbourhoods of Neuenfelde, Cranz, Francop and Finkenwerder are part of the Altes Land region (old land),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg

Joking. But I found it ironic that this Altland was actually a misinterpretation of the name Holland.

The region's official standard German name is Altes Land, which means "old country". However, Altes Land is a mistranslation of the original Low Saxon Olland, which originally had nothing to do with "old": It stems from Holland. This is a reference to the area's original reclamation and colonisation by Dutch settlers. The first colonisation agreement goes back to 1113 and was drawn up during the time of Archbishop Friedrich I of Bremen. One of the municipalities of the Altes Land is Hollern, a name which comes from Holländer (German for the Dutch). However, the mistranslation of Olland as Altes Land has now come full circle, since most Low Saxon speakers today refer to the region as dat Ole Land (literally the old land).

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Altes_Land

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[The Puzzler]

Maybe around Gelderland is Buda, if Batavian can be buda, so can Batenburg - which as situated in Gelderland - is on the way to Munsterland.

[Knul]

Almanaland:

A legend says that a miraculous red banner called Magnusvaan was included in the walls of the St. Michaëlsdom church. This flag, according to legend, belonged to Friso the founder of the Frisian people. It had miraculous powers to avert lightning and storms, to repel evil spirits, and make one invincible. After Friso's death he was buried with the flag and no one knew of it. Willibrord the apostle to the Frisians, had a dream where an angel pointed out the spot where the red flag lay buried. The bishop Willibrord excavated it and gave it to Magnus Forteman. The flag was used when Magnus conquered Rome. After this it was hidden again in the wall of the church at Almenum. The Saxons searched for it and could not find it, and legend has it that no one will be able to find it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almenum

I'll just add that mention of Friso, even though it might be known already by some, I think it's an interesting mention that bears repeating.

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This is a map of Old Saxony - it has 'Mimigerneford' written on it. (Although you might need your glasses). Near Westfalia.

http://en.wikipedia....e_primitive.JPG

I still doubt if mimi... is the same as manna....

[Knul]

Almanaland = Almenum (nowadays part of Harlingen), just opposite of Wieringen. s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almenum . Alderga is a river, which ends in Hoorn. s. http://home.tiscali....schiedenis.html

Velius (1740) schrijft op p. 9: "….Hoorn ook geen dorp, maer alleenlijk slechts een sluise met een overtoom, daerdeur het lant sijn binnen-water plach te lossen…." "Daer was eertijds (soo geseyd is) in den dijk een groote sluyse met een overtoom; aen d'oostsijde van den Roode-steen (so onse markt tegenwoordelijk genoemt werd) dienende den landlieden om het binnen water uyt te lossen, en ook dagelijks voor een in en uytvaert tot de zee. Binnen liep de Tocht daer op, die doen de Gou genoemt werd, en noch heden by de Koepoort is….."

Hi puzzler, you helped me to locate Mannagardaforda, which has been corrected to Mannagardawrda by the author of the OLB. Great.

[MS PAG. 5] Ther / Saxman Storo , Sytjas man , grêvetman / ovir a hâga fenna aend walda . Njvgun wâra / is er to hêrtoga , thaet is to hyrman , kêren . Tha / burga Bvda aend Manna gârda forda send / vnder sin hod .

[MS PAG. 151]: nêi Kattaburch skikte , skikter Bruno , thaet is brûne , thene ôthera svjaring nêi Mannagaerda wrda , Mannagaerda wrda is fâr in thit bok Mannagaerda forda skrêven , men thât is misdên .

It fully complies with my theory, that the place should be in the area of Haga Fenna and Walda and not somewhere far from the Frisian homeland. I'll let you know. Indeed mimi... is not the same as manna....

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[Apol]

I know about that line - wondered if there was any more but I'll check anyway - apart from Buda/Jessos part.

I think your idea is very valid and I checked your map you made - but at the same time it seems a bit logical, as Abe already noticed - that Buda might be around the Saxenmarken, where Munster also is described as being.

I like to check everything.

The only place where Bvda is mentioned, is on page 5 of the manuscript.

[Abramelin]

Hi puzzler, you helped me to locate Mannagardaforda, which has been corrected to Mannagardawrda by the author of the OLB. Great.

[MS PAG. 5] Ther / Saxman Storo , Sytjas man , grêvetman / ovir a hâga fenna aend walda . Njvgun wâra / is er to hêrtoga , thaet is to hyrman , kêren . Tha / burga Bvda aend Manna gârda forda send / vnder sin hod .

[MS PAG. 151]: nêi Kattaburch skikte , skikter Bruno , thaet is brûne , thene ôthera svjaring nêi Mannagaerda wrda , Mannagaerda wrda is fâr in thit bok Mannagaerda forda skrêven , men thât is misdên .

It fully complies with my theory, that the place should be in the area of Haga Fenna and Walda and not somewhere far from the Frisian homeland. I'll let you know. Indeed mimi... is not the same as manna....

So that was a slip of the tongue, and so the one writing it added a convenient excuse, lol.

[Abramelin]

Maybe around Gelderland is Buda, if Batavian can be buda, so can Batenburg - which as situated in Gelderland - is on the way to Munsterland.

I don't think BUDA has anything to do with the Batavians.

The Batavians were rather late arrivals in the Netherlands. They had split off from the C(h)atti during Roman times, and had migrated to the Netherlands.

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[Knul]

So that was a slip of the tongue, and so the one writing it added a convenient excuse, lol.

Just wait to get convinced.

[Abramelin]

I have been thinking a lot about the Hittites these last days, and not only because I have been posting about them in another thread on UM.

Their language is the oldest recorded Indo-European language, and so I thought that their language should resemble the OLB Fryan language a lot, because the further back in time you go, the more these Indo-European languages should resemble one another.

That, alas, is not the case. If you think otherwise, try to read the Hittite language with your knowledge of the Fryan language.

Historical Dictionary of the Hittites - by Charles Burney

http://books.google....hattusa&f=false

http://blog.world-my...re-of-hittites/

http://miltiade.page.../hittitesGB.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattusa

THE HITTITES

THE STORY OF A FORGOTTEN EMPIRE.

BY A. H. SAYCE, LL.D. Second Edition 1890.

http://www.gutenberg...3-h/40243-h.htm

http://www.keithhunt.com/Hittite.html

http://www.sjsu.edu/...ins/hittite.htm

http://www.thelatinl...s/hittites.html

Vadar, water, Wasser-how staggering it is to realise that with three thousand years intervening, a Frisian living on the North Sea coast of Germany and a Pennsylvania Dutchman of eastern North America would understand a Hittite's cry of thirst!

http://www.aai.frees...the Scripts.htm

But don't get too exited: it is about just a couple of words.

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This understanding has affected the view of the language family in general. It is now clear that Sanskrit and Greek, with their large number of verbal inflections, developed these after the disruption of the Indo-European family. Among their new developments is the augment, which is found only in Indo-Iranian, Greek, and Armenian. Even in the Homeric language it is not yet used in all forms that require it in Classical Greek. Moreover, Germanic with its much simpler verbal inflection is closer to that of the proto-language and more similar to Hittite than are Sanskrit and Greek. We account for the similarity by assuming that Germanic, like Hittite, was one of the first to leave when the various languages split away from the parent language and that both maintained many of its features, which were later modified in Indo-Iranian, Greek, Latin, and other dialects.

The Source of the Hittites and their Dominance in Central Anatolia

It is generally assumed that the Hittites entered Anatolia some time before 2000 B.C. While their earlier location is disputed, there has been strong evidence for more than a century that the home of the Indo-Europeans in the fourth and third millennia was in what is now southern Russia and the Ukraine. The Hittites and other member of the "Anatolian" language-speaking family, then, came from the north, possibly along the Caspian Sea but perhaps more likely via the Balkans. The dominant inhabitants in central Anatolia at the time were the Hatti (from whom the word "Hittite" was later derived). There were also Assyrian colonies in the country; it was from these that the Hittites adopted cuneiform script.

http://www.utexas.ed.../hitol-0-X.html

http://history-world...ittitesrise.htm

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[SSilhouette]

Cool Abe. I learned something from your post.

I have been thinking a lot about the Hittites these last days, and not only because I have been posting about them in another thread on UM.

My father had a derogatory comment he threw out when he really didn't like someone. He'd always say, "swine of a hittite!". I guess the thinking was that Hittites were regarded as scum and the pig of scum is about as low as you can go? ...lol... I don't know. The Hittites could've been great people. Apparently though it was old german tradition in his family to regard them as low ranking for sure. It's funny how swear words carry a lot of old prejudice with them. Maybe his ancestors clashed with the Hittites once upon a time and the tradition carried down?

[Abramelin]

Cool Abe. I learned something from your post.

My father had a derogatory comment he threw out when he really didn't like someone. He'd always say, "swine of a hittite!". I guess the thinking was that Hittites were regarded as scum and the pig of scum is about as low as you can go? ...lol... I don't know. The Hittites could've been great people. Apparently though it was old german tradition in his family to regard them as low ranking for sure. It's funny how swear words carry a lot of old prejudice with them. Maybe his ancestors clashed with the Hittites once upon a time and the tradition carried down?

Gawd, you're still alive??

Funny, though, because there are those who think the Chatti are no one else but the Hatti or Hittites, who diappeard into thin air...

I read somehwere - Google it, I lost the link - that their kings were called "Kheti-siri" the 'sirs of the Hatti'?

And what people thought about the Hittites was based on what the Bible told us about them, but that was long after the hayday of the Hittites.

[Knul]

http://upload.wikime...sonius_1658.jpg

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[The Puzzler]

So? Maybe it's not Munster after all?

[Abramelin]

http://upload.wikime...sonius_1658.jpg

That's the SEVEN WOLDEN, not just WOLDEN.

[Knul]

So? Maybe it's not Munster after all?

That is what I think. All those places identified by Ottema are too far from mainland Frisia. The Frisians did not reign the whole of Europe, but just a small area along the North Sea coast from Weser ()Wrsara) to Schelde (Sincfal), known as the Seven Sealands.

That's the SEVEN WOLDEN, not just WOLDEN.

I can read too.

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[Abramelin]

I can read too.

Then why do you mark "WOLDEN" instead of SEVEN WOLDEN?

[Apol]

I still doubt if mimi... is the same as manna....

Yes, I doubt that the first part, mimi-, is in line with a derivation from manna-, according to linguistic rules for language evolution.

At the same time, no rule without exception - one can't fit everything into a formula, so we can't rule it out either, I think.

[Knul]

Then why do you mark "WOLDEN" instead of SEVEN WOLDEN?

Because the area is known as VENEN EN WOUDEN.

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[The Puzzler]

That is what I think. All those places identified by Ottema are too far from mainland Frisia. The Frisians did not reign the whole of Europe, but just a small area along the North Sea coast from Weser ()Wrsara) to Schelde (Sincfal), known as the Seven Sealands.

I can read too.

Yes, the more I was looking for Buda the more Munster just did not seem right.

It's too late a burgh for a start.

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Also, the book is directed under these 5 grevetmen, this does not mean these 5 have to cover the whole of Fryan territory, these are just the ones who partook at that time in the book, most likely closest to the Fly area.

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[Abramelin]

It is, in the the Hohes Venn - Eifel area.

http://www.eifeltour...Karte.bmpp/img]

And... Büdesheim is a municipality in the district of Bitburg-Prüm, in Rhineland-Palatinate, western Germany.

http://de.wikipedia....wiki/Büdesheim

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Forêts [Woods, Forests] was a département of the French First Republic, and later the First French Empire, in present Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany. Its name, meaning 'forests', comes from the Ardennes forests. It was formed on 24 October 1795, after the Southern Netherlands had been annexed by France on 1 October.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%AAts

So there you have your "High Fenns and Woods", all nicely tucked together in one area.

[Knul]

Yes, I doubt that the first part, mimi-, is in line with a derivation from manna-, according to linguistic rules for language evolution.

At the same time, no rule without exception - one can't fit everything into a formula, so we can't rule it out either, I think.

You should not rule out anything, not even that Munster and Budapest belonged to the Frisian reign and were part of the Haga Fenna and Walda. That's up to you.

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[Abramelin]

You should not rule out anything, not even that Munster and Budapest belonged to the Frisian reign and were part of the Haga Fenna and Walda.

Hello? Weren't you saying that Münster and Budapest were too far away from Frisia?

[Knul]

Hello? Weren't you saying that Münster and Budapest were too far away from Frisia?

That's what I say. Apol and you are questioning that. Therefore I say: that's up to you !

[Abramelin]

That's what I say. Apol and you are questioning that. Therefore I say: that's up to you !

No, you said 'you should not rule out anything', but that's what you have been doing for pages on end.

Just as a reminder: