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#3286    Abramelin

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:03 PM

Ottema changed and 'corrected' some things in the OLB, for god knows what reason.

For instance: why did he change the name "Jes-us" into "Jessos"?

I think I know why.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

View PostApol, on 31 March 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Jensma is as exact as one can expect.

The mistake I mentioned is not a minor one.
Wirth's German translation of 1933 caused more turmoil than the English one by Sandbach of 1876.
Jensma already published about the OLB in 1992 and wrote his doctors-thesis about it (published 2004).
To start his 2006 book with a major untruth in the first paragraph of the foreword is very sloppy (to put it mildly), and just one example because there are many more.

I don't think Jensma is a conspirator, but I do suspect him of having a (religious) agenda.
He started his 1992 article with two bible quotes, as was mentioned before in this thread.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 March 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

And it was Reichenbach who first used the term "OD" in the meaning as used in the OLB

Martin Luther used the term "Gottes Odem" in his translation (16th century) of the creation myth from the Christian bible.
Same context: God gives life to Adam.

I don't know where I read it but in Oldsaxon or Oldnorse the word would also mean something like spirit or something related to life-force or fertility.
Reichenbach chose his term well, but he was not the first to make that association.

The "oôt" in my signatury (in a proverb that I read in a westfrisian dictionary) appearantly is a virtually indestructable weed.
Would make sense if "od" would mean life-force, would it not?

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:01 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 March 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Ottema changed and 'corrected' some things in the OLB, for god knows what reason.

For instance: why did he change the name "Jes-us" into "Jessos"?

I think I know why.

On 13 October 2011, 'Otharus' said:

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BTW, in the manuscript (p.138) the names are "JES-US", "KRIS-EN" and "BûDA".
"Jessos" was used by Ottema, probably as an attempt to not offend Christians too much; an attempt that failed.

adding edit:
I wish you strength, Abramelin.

Edited by gestur, 31 March 2013 - 04:02 PM.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

View Postgestur, on 31 March 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

On 13 October 2011, 'Otharus' said:



adding edit:
I wish you strength, Abramelin.

Thanks Gestur. I will need it.

==

You said:

BTW, in the manuscript (p.138) the names are "JES-US", "KRIS-EN" and "BûDA".
"Jessos" was used by Ottema, probably as an attempt to not offend Christians too much; an attempt that failed.


I think he knew what many would think: that it is obvious the paragraph was based on the New Testament, or based on some 19th century ideas about who Jesus really was.

Read Gosa's texts.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

How many of us would recognise a "Linda" tree (German and Dutch: Linde) if we saw one?

Have a good look at the shape of the leave:

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What we could call "heart-shaped", no?

Here is a human heart:

Posted Image

What looks more like our universal symbol of love?

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In several very old german and dutch love-songs, the Linde tree plays a role (couples kissing or making love under a Linde tree).

Just thinking out loud.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 March 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

And it was Reichenbach who first used the term "OD" in the meaning as used in the OLB:

The Odic force (also called Od [õd], Odyle, Önd, Odes, Odylic, Odyllic, or Odems) is the name given in the mid-19th century to a hypothetical vital energy or life force by Baron Carl von Reichenbach. Von Reichenbach coined the name from that of the Norse god Odin in 1845.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Odic_force

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Maybe he was the first who used it in that particular way, but the Old Norse óðr means 'strong desire'.
http://archive.org/d...rdbok00haeguoft


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:24 PM

View Postgestur, on 31 March 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

How many of us would recognise a "Linda" tree (German and Dutch: Linde) if we saw one?

Have a good look at the shape of the leave:

Posted Image

What we could call "heart-shaped", no?

Here is a human heart:

Posted Image

What looks more like our universal symbol of love?

Posted Image

In several very old german and dutch love-songs, the Linde tree plays a role (couples kissing or making love under a Linde tree).

Just thinking out loud.

The Linden Tree was also a symbol of Frya/Freya, and a symbol of freedom and liberation.


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Edited by Abramelin, 31 March 2013 - 04:25 PM.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:25 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 March 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I think he knew what many would think: that it is obvious the paragraph was based on the New Testament, or based on some 19th century ideas about who Jesus really was.

To me that is not obvious at all.

I have seen a convincing BBC documentary about a theory that Jesus of Nazareth had had (part of) his education with Budhist monks in India.
His original name may have been "Isa", while in India he may have received a new/other name "Jesus", which would have been one of the other names of Budha.
This still happens nowadays, that spiritual teachers have various names and that initiates receive a new name from their teacher.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostApol, on 31 March 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Maybe he was the first who used it in that particular way, but the Old Norse óðr means 'strong desire'.
http://archive.org/d...rdbok00haeguoft

But 'strong desire' wouldn't fit into what the OLB tells us about "OD".

Reichenbach's vital energy or life force does.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:29 PM

View Postgestur, on 31 March 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

The mistake I mentioned is not a minor one.
Wirth's German translation of 1933 caused more turmoil than the English one by Sandbach of 1876.
Jensma already published about the OLB in 1992 and wrote his doctors-thesis about it (published 2004).
To start his 2006 book with a major untruth in the first paragraph of the foreword is very sloppy (to put it mildly), and just one example because there are many more.

I don't think Jensma is a conspirator, but I do suspect him of having a (religious) agenda.
He started his 1992 article with two bible quotes, as was mentioned before in this thread.

Maybe you're right in that.
I've also suspected Jensma having a religious agenda, because then his theories will make more sense to me.
There are so many strange theories about the OLB, though, that it would just fit in with all the others.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:29 PM

View Postgestur, on 31 March 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

To me that is not obvious at all.

I have seen a convincing BBC documentary about a theory that Jesus of Nazareth had had (part of) his education with Budhist monks in India.
His original name may have been "Isa", while in India he may have received a new/other name "Jesus", which would have been one of the other names of Budha.

This still happens nowadays, that spiritual teachers have various names and that initiates receive a new name from their teacher.

And that is one of the ideas running around during the 19th century.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:34 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 March 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Reichenbach's vital energy or life force does.

So does Oldnorse "spirit".

View PostAbramelin, on 31 March 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

And that is one of the ideas running around during the 19th century.

It may be true.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 March 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

But 'strong desire' wouldn't fit into what the OLB tells us about "OD".

Reichenbach's vital energy or life force does.

I would say it does - it may suit perfectly. Why should 'vital energy' or 'life force' suit any better?
The word also exist in New Norwegian as od.

Edited by Apol, 31 March 2013 - 04:37 PM.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostApol, on 31 March 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

the Old Norse óðr means 'strong desire'.

"Strong desire" is a perfect description of "life force".
I can see how this evolved from a general meaning into something more specific like "rage" (in some oldnorse texts) and in Latin "hate" (odium), from which Ottema got his translation.

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