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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:55 AM

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View Postgestur, on 28 April 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

2 [033/11]
INLANDISKA ORLOCH
[O-S p.49]
civil [:inlandish] wars

5 [199/17]
ET FOLK FON THA FÉRE KRÉKA.LANDA
[O-S p.239]
het volk van de verre Krekalanden
the [folk of the] far Krekalanders

6 [202/15]
TWISK THA BVW.FALA THÉRE VRHOMELDE BURCH STÁVJA
[O-S p.243]
Tusschen de bouwvallen van de verwoeste [:verhommelde] burgt Stavia
Among the ruins [:'build-falls'] of the destroyed citadel [:burgh] of Stavia


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"SAVED FROM THE FLOOD" ~ Oera Linda studies ~ http://fryskednis.blogspot.com/


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:18 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 29 April 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

What's that supposed to mean? Seriously, did I miss something?

Yes, but it wasn't about you, lol. Nevermind.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:23 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 29 April 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

Govinda is finder of cows - vinda/finda/finder - but yes, you could say herder I guess.

Just as Christ is the shepherd, herder of sheep.

The Finda were cow people, finders, herders. OK.

Findas name is based in 'find'  then. Finns is 'fine' accordingly.

Fryas name is probably free, they were the free people, Finda's folk were cow herders.

Since they bought in the ra kys from the East I never doubted they weren't cow herders but the connection between finder and herder is new.

I have also been thinking about these guys as candidates for the Finda, because of their name and location:


Vindland
http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindland

http://translate.goo...g/wiki/Vindland

Wends
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wends

Veneti
http://en.wikipedia....eneti_and_Slavs



Relation between Veneti, Balts and Slavs

The Veneti were geographically and temporally contiguous to the Germanic and Slavic peoples and were eventually assimilated by both groups, perhaps even more decisively by Slavs, who later settled in the territory which erstwhile belonged to the Veneti. The Germanic peoples subsequently transferred the ethnonym Veneti to their new easterly neighbours, the Slavs. This tradition survived in German language where Slavs living in closest proximity to Germany were originally called Wenden or Winden (see Wends), while the people of the Austrian federal lands Styria and Carinthia referred to their Slavic neighbours as Windische. It should be emphasised, though, that Slavic peoples never used the ethnonym Veneti for themselves but were called thus only by the neighbouring Germanic peoples. Such transfers of ethnonyms from one group to another are not unusual and have occurred frequently in history. Although Tacitus listed the Venethi as a tribe in Germania, in his Getica, Jordanes equated the Venethi with the Sclavenes and Antes. Slavists such as Pavel Josef Šafarík have criticized Tacitus for erroneously identifying the Venethi as Germanic, due to the similar appearance of Slavs and Germans.

Considering Ptolemy's Ouenedai and their location along the Baltic sea, a German linguist, Alexander M. Schenker, underlines that the vocabulary of the Slavic languages shows no evidence that the early Slavs were exposed to the sea. Proto-Slavic had no maritime terminology and even lacked a word for amber which was the most important item of export from the shores of the Baltic to the Mediterranean. In view of this, the very fact that Ptolemy refers to the Baltic as the Venedic Bay appears to rule out a possible identification of the Veneti of his times with the Slavs. Schenker's conclusion is supported by the fact that to the east of the Ouenedai, Ptolemy mentions two further tribes called Stauanoi and Souobenoi, both of which have been interpreted as possibly the oldest historical attestations of Slavs.


http://en.wikipedia....eneti_and_Slavs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals


Prior to their arrival in the area of Wenden in the 12th century, the Vends are believed to have settled in Wynda county (Latvian: Ventava) by the Venta River near the present city of Ventspils in western Latvia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vends


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:43 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 29 April 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Yes, but it wasn't about you, lol. Nevermind.
Oh good, OK.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:34 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 29 April 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

Oh good, OK.

No i think he is having a go at me again ! C'est la vie

re the Asatru Edda , i see from this that they thought that the first humans were born from two trees that grew from seeds spouted from the Yggdrasil tree , and that

Odinn was was also called Yggd , which was why he was called the allfather , the god from whom sprouted/ created man and woman , one each from these two trees.


Krishna ......en.wikepedia.org/wiki/krishna

Dr.E.J.H.Mackay who was excavating the site of Mohenjo Daro , in the Lankana district of Sindh was the finder of a steatite tablet (soapstone ) dated to the pre-indus

or indus valley period............The tablet depicted a young boy  "thought to be Krishna  uprooting two trees , from which are appearing two human figures.

it is thought the two figures may be the two cursed Gandharvas , Nalakubara and Manigrava."............or is this connected to scans and asars 1st humans


i know Abe is not impressed at all ,  but they were in India for a very long time , if we are going to look at the languages being similar by the time they came back , ie :

looking at Findas being Go-vindas , Cow finders , then maybe we could consider Rig Veda , being the book of the Rik (Kings ) v= of Edda , and as Higgins thought in

his book Maha (great ) bharat (Britons )

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 29 April 2013 - 08:40 AM.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:55 PM

The Rigveda (Sanskrit: rgveda, a compound of rc "praise, verse" and veda "knowledge") is an ancient Indian sacred collection of Vedic Sanskrit hymns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda

There are several theories concerning the origins of the word edda. One theory holds that it is identical to a word that means "great-grandmother" appearing in the Eddic poem Rígsþula. Another theory holds that edda derives from Old Norse óðr, "poetry." A third, proposed in 1895 by Eiríkr Magnússon, but since discredited, is that it derives from the Icelandic place name Oddi, site of the church and school where students, including Snorri Sturluson, were educated. The derivation of the word "Edda" as the name of Snorri Sturluson’s treatise on poetry from the Latin "edo", "I compose (poetry)" by analogy with "kredda", "superstition" from Latin "credo", "creed" is now widely accepted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edda


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:31 PM

From "The Incas, explorers of the Pacific" thread (thanks to The_Spartan):

View PostAbramelin, on 29 April 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

A study led by researchers of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, now finds evidence of substantial gene flow between Indian populations and Australia about 4,000 years ago.

Researcher Irina Pugach and colleagues now analysed genetic variation from across the genome from aboriginal Australians, New Guineans, island Southeast Asians, and Indians. Their findings suggest substantial gene flow from India to Australia 4,230 years ago. i.e. during the Holocene and well before European contact. “Interestingly,” says Pugach, “this date also coincides with many changes in the archaeological record of Australia, which include a sudden change in plant processing and stone tool technologies, with microliths appearing for the first time, and the first appearance of the dingo in the fossil record. Since we detect inflow of genes from India into Australia at around the same time, it is likely that these changes were related to this migration.”


http://www.mpg.de/68...India-Australia


"Out of the populations considered in the study, Dravidian-speaking groups are the best match to be the source populations for this migration, but this does not mean the ancestors of these groups actually were the source population. It is possible, that there is another group which we didn't sample yet. Another possibility is that this group doesn't even exist anymore," she added.

http://articles.timesofind


It would be interesting to know why they traveled from India to Australia.  I think Alewyn would know....

It's comfortably close to the 2194 BCE date.


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EDIT:

The second link in my quoted post appears to be dead.

http://articles.time...ol-technologies

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Edited by Abramelin, 29 April 2013 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:58 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 29 April 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

The Rigveda (Sanskrit: rgveda, a compound of rc "praise, verse" and veda "knowledge") is an ancient Indian sacred collection of Vedic Sanskrit hymns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda

There are several theories concerning the origins of the word edda. One theory holds that it is identical to a word that means "great-grandmother" appearing in the Eddic poem Rígsþula. Another theory holds that edda derives from Old Norse óðr, "poetry." A third, proposed in 1895 by Eiríkr Magnússon, but since discredited, is that it derives from the Icelandic place name Oddi, site of the church and school where students, including Snorri Sturluson, were educated. The derivation of the word "Edda" as the name of Snorri Sturluson’s treatise on poetry from the Latin "edo", "I compose (poetry)" by analogy with "kredda", "superstition" from Latin "credo", "creed" is now widely accepted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edda

yes the Rig Veda is a praise/verse or a history of your people verse , put into rhyme so they say to help people remenber it by rote .

but when people write a poem they usually do not just call it "poem " or "praise verse " they give it a name  like " Kings of Edda "

funny you should mention  the Rigspula , because by the same theory i would make that history poem to be called " Rigs of Thule " or kings of Thule ,  the thorn being Th. ...........shown on the Carta Marina as Tile , and variously as Thula , Thila , Thylea ,


i note Magnusson thought the word morphed into Kredda and then probably our word Credo , your statement of religious belief, which christians later used as a word

for the poeticised nicene religious creed ........ you may also find a meaning somewhere buried here for your Kroda


There are lots of words that by speculation could come from the Asa northmen into the old Rig Veda  , for instance  their verses are called "Sasana's " etymology : from

old Irish Saxain , from Saxa (Saxon )........Vyasa was the revered Hindu who collated the rig veda , and the Mahabharata , and the bhagavatam Gita ,

Vyasa  ... Of I Asa , ....Rig Veda ...Kings of Edda , Mahabharata ( Higgins ..Great Britons )  and maybe Dharma  , their word for a way of living your life in peace....If Bhagavatam Gita was written in the OBL , how would Gestur be reading it..... Be gave to them Gita...Maybe ??

Dh = The Arma ..... shortening of Aeromother ,,,,,,,,so you live by the Aeromothers laws ........Speculation Yes.. but worth a few thoughts surely.!!

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 30 April 2013 - 07:07 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:06 PM

"Dh = The Arma ..... shortening of Aeromother"

Come one, this is just child's play.

Instead of dissecting a word like one would dissect a butterfly, what are your ideas about my post #3832?


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:46 PM

Sorry for taking the topic off track,. But there is this need to straighten some stuff said in here.

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 29 April 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:


Krishna ......en.wikepedia.org/wiki/krishna

Dr.E.J.H.Mackay who was excavating the site of Mohenjo Daro , in the Lankana district of Sindh was the finder of a steatite tablet (soapstone ) dated to the pre-indus

or indus valley period............The tablet depicted a young boy  "thought to be Krishna  uprooting two trees , from which are appearing two human figures.

it is thought the two figures may be the two cursed Gandharvas , Nalakubara and Manigrava."............or is this connected to scans and asars 1st humans



1st. I doubt Mackay's interpretation of the soapstone tablet.

The said tablet, though the pic is  not of large size  is shown below

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I dont know , or i cant see, where exactly in the tablet is the depiction of a "Boy" and the image of two human figures coming out of the "uprooted" trees??
What i can see in the tablet is
  • A person in a Pashupati like headgear sitting on the left.
  • A cow or a bull in the center.
  • Two trees and another person standing in between them. The trees are shown with branches.
  • The size of the person standing in between the two trees is proportionate to the size of the trees.
  • The person standing in between the two trees is also shown wearing a Pashupati like headgear.
  • The person standing in between the two trees is not shown as holding the two trees nor are the trees shown as being uprooted.
  • Behind the figure seated on the left, is some sort of Table or platform
The tablet in nowhere does show any young  boy uprooting two trees with his hands and nowhere is depicted any human figures coming out of the uprooted trees.



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i know Abe is not impressed at all ,  but they were in India for a very long time , if we are going to look at the languages being similar by the time they came back , ie :

looking at Findas being Go-vindas , Cow finders , then maybe we could consider Rig Veda , being the book of the Rik (Kings ) v= of Edda , and as Higgins thought in

his book Maha (great ) bharat (Britons )

What languages are you talking about?
Just because "Findas" rhymes with the tail of a Hindi/Sanskrit word, are the two languages similar?
does that show that "they" (who are these "they"??) were in India?

Do not make statements about subjects you dont know anything about.
Or if you do know about , please share that knowledge, backed by evidence.

I am from India.

I know that rig veda  is a compound word in sanskirt meaning "knowledge of praise for the gods" literally.
The "rig" doesn't stand for rik or kings. It stands for "praise or adulation or to some parts verse", Veda stands for originating out of vetti which means "to know", out of which the word "vidya" or knowledge arises.

Of course Maha means great.
But where in the whole hell or heaven or earth did he or you arrive at the conclusion that Bharath means Britons.
I am a Bharatiya, meaning person from India and of Indian origin and do i look like some birt????

The name Bharatha for India is from time immemorial, from the Vedas and Upanishads and Puranas.
See for yourself at this link

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:01 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 30 April 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Sorry for taking the topic off track,. But there is this need to straighten some stuff said in here.




1st. I doubt Mackay's interpretation of the soapstone tablet.

The said tablet, though the pic is  not of large size  is shown below

Posted Image

I dont know , or i cant see, where exactly in the tablet is the depiction of a "Boy" and the image of two human figures coming out of the "uprooted" trees??
What i can see in the tablet is
  • A person in a Pashupati like headgear sitting on the left.
  • A cow or a bull in the center.
  • Two trees and another person standing in between them. The trees are shown with branches.
  • The size of the person standing in between the two trees is proportionate to the size of the trees.
  • The person standing in between the two trees is also shown wearing a Pashupati like headgear.
  • The person standing in between the two trees is not shown as holding the two trees nor are the trees shown as being uprooted.
  • Behind the figure seated on the left, is some sort of Table or platform
The tablet in nowhere does show any young  boy uprooting two trees with his hands and nowhere is depicted any human figures coming out of the uprooted trees.





What languages are you talking about?
Just because "Findas" rhymes with the tail of a Hindi/Sanskrit word, are the two languages similar?
does that show that "they" (who are these "they"??) were in India?

Do not make statements about subjects you dont know anything about.
Or if you do know about , please share that knowledge, backed by evidence.

I am from India.

I know that rig veda  is a compound word in sanskirt meaning "knowledge of praise for the gods" literally.
The "rig" doesn't stand for rik or kings. It stands for "praise or adulation or to some parts verse", Veda stands for originating out of vetti which means "to know", out of which the word "vidya" or knowledge arises.

Of course Maha means great.
But where in the whole hell or heaven or earth did he or you arrive at the conclusion that Bharath means Britons.
I am a Bharatiya, meaning person from India and of Indian origin and do i look like some birt????

The name Bharatha for India is from time immemorial, from the Vedas and Upanishads and Puranas.
See for yourself at this link


Now we are talking, I speak Diets:
Verse meaning fresh, a new line: vers (fresh line) in our language.

As you have an Indian background: Arca also meaning shining (illuminating), what do you think: is there a link with Rig?
And what about the cows: only animals to look for? Or more meta/symbolical?


Edit:
And for the Veda: da's weten: wedde, wetje? Laws need to be known to act on it.

Edited by Van Gorp, 30 April 2013 - 09:45 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:19 PM

View PostVan Gorp, on 30 April 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Now we are talking, I speak Diets:
Verse meaning fresh, a new line: vers (fresh line) in our language.

As you have an Indian background: Arca also meaning shining (illuminating), what do you think: is there a link with Rig?
And what about the cows: only animals to look for? Or more meta/symbolical?


Edit:
And for the Veda: da's weten: wedde, wetje? Laws need to be known to act on it.


The words in sanskrit meaning the same was Verse, would be ऋचा/Rc or ऋच्/Rca both meaning the same as in Rig of Rig Veda.
Other words that means the same as ऋचा/Rc or ऋच्/Rca are श्लोक/Shloka or पद्य/padya (which is literally meaning poem)

The sanskrit words for "Fresh" would be नवीन/navina, नूतन/Nutana, नव/nava all arising out of the same root in PIE "newo" meaning NEW!!

The sanskrit word for Shining would be शोभन/Shobana, भासुर/Bhasura, etc. The nearest sounding word to "Arca" for shining, in sanskrit, is अर्चत्/Archat.

Veda arises from the root "vid" which means "to know". The word "Vidya" is sanskrit for "Knowledge". Arising from the PIE Root weid-  meaning "to see"

What does "weten: wedde, wetje" mean? same as veda/vidya/weid??

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:33 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 30 April 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

The words in sanskrit meaning the same was Verse, would be ऋचा/Rc or ऋच्/Rca both meaning the same as in Rig of Rig Veda.
Other words that means the same as ऋचा/Rc or ऋच्/Rca are श्लोक/Shloka or पद्य/padya (which is literally meaning poem)

The sanskrit words for "Fresh" would be नवीन/navina, नूतन/Nutana, नव/nava all arising out of the same root in PIE "newo" meaning NEW!!

The sanskrit word for Shining would be शोभन/Shobana, भासुर/Bhasura, etc. The nearest sounding word to "Arca" for shining, in sanskrit, is अर्चत्/Archat.

Veda arises from the root "vid" which means "to know". The word "Vidya" is sanskrit for "Knowledge". Arising from the PIE Root weid-  meaning "to see"

What does "weten: wedde, wetje" mean? same as veda/vidya/weid??


Ok, thnx for all that clearification.

'Weten' is the Dutch verb for 'to know'.
'Wedde' or 'wetje' is the spoken language (at least in my neighbourhood in Belgium) to say: "Wanna bet on it?".
This to mention that by my feeling the Dutch word 'wet' ('law' in English), is related to the verb 'weten' (to know) and maybe Veda could also be linked to kind of natural or divine laws to know.
Laws as being the natural way.

Sidetrack would be the dutch word for 'to bet' ('wedden', as if you want to gamble) could be related to 'being in the knowing' by putting your monney on it.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:46 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 30 April 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Sorry for taking the topic off track,. But there is this need to straighten some stuff said in here.




1st. I doubt Mackay's interpretation of the soapstone tablet.

The said tablet, though the pic is  not of large size  is shown below

Posted Image

I dont know , or i cant see, where exactly in the tablet is the depiction of a "Boy" and the image of two human figures coming out of the "uprooted" trees??
What i can see in the tablet is
  • A person in a Pashupati like headgear sitting on the left.
  • A cow or a bull in the center.
  • Two trees and another person standing in between them. The trees are shown with branches.
  • The size of the person standing in between the two trees is proportionate to the size of the trees.
  • The person standing in between the two trees is also shown wearing a Pashupati like headgear.
  • The person standing in between the two trees is not shown as holding the two trees nor are the trees shown as being uprooted.
  • Behind the figure seated on the left, is some sort of Table or platform
The tablet in nowhere does show any young  boy uprooting two trees with his hands and nowhere is depicted any human figures coming out of the uprooted trees.





What languages are you talking about?
Just because "Findas" rhymes with the tail of a Hindi/Sanskrit word, are the two languages similar?
does that show that "they" (who are these "they"??) were in India?

Do not make statements about subjects you dont know anything about.
Or if you do know about , please share that knowledge, backed by evidence.

I am from India.

I know that rig veda  is a compound word in sanskirt meaning "knowledge of praise for the gods" literally.
The "rig" doesn't stand for rik or kings. It stands for "praise or adulation or to some parts verse", Veda stands for originating out of vetti which means "to know", out of which the word "vidya" or knowledge arises.

Of course Maha means great.
But where in the whole hell or heaven or earth did he or you arrive at the conclusion that Bharath means Britons.
I am a Bharatiya, meaning person from India and of Indian origin and do i look like some birt????

The name Bharatha for India is from time immemorial, from the Vedas and Upanishads and Puranas.
See for yourself at this link


Hi Spartan ..Thanks for taking the time to reply ........i note you doubt Mackays interpretation .. however i have just quoted it as it was stated in wiki ... no mention was made there of it being like the Asatru Edda story of Odinn and the two trees from which the two first humans emerge either , but Mackays description is so similar to the Edda story i thought it was worth mentioning .you could be right that the tablet shows a Pashupati Sharma , but their has also been some thoughts here that shamen could also figure in the lives of frisians .

re the language i am talking about and the "they ".........i am currently posting about words that are similar in hindi or Sanskrit transcriptions to frisian words ., i have already said in a prior post that in talking about some of the similar words i will probably be wrong , more times than i will be right .....but we are on a disscusion forum , therefore i have raised them for discussion... no where have i made a statement that any of these similarities are "facts" indeed my last comment on the post you replied to  says it's speculation..........i cant give you "evidence " for something i just admitted was speculation , i still however maintain i have a right to offer subjects for discussion

and the "they " are a group of people from the North part of the world, who came to live in India from about 1500 BC to about 300 BC circ , so around 1200 years if OBL is correct , some have thought it possible that they either formed or intermarried with the upper classes in India and eventually became rulers , they may have started the caste system .if they were aser's or Magi they may have brought Shamanism , or they may have found it in India and taken it home. so the possibility....note : possibility is there that they may have either brought their language to North India , or it may have mixed and morphed with the native language.......who knows that is why it came up as a subject for discussion.

.....One of your countrymen Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak wrote a book saying that there are passages in the Rig Veda that actually say the origins of the ancient North Indians was in the Arctic Ring........

Godfrey Higgins in his book Celtic Druids was the man that said mahabharata meant great britons , but we are way too late to ask him how he arrived at that conclusion

After all that...... i thank you for your input , but in the interests of discussion i  hope you understand why i continue to make mine


Edit : whats a Birt by the way , a slang word for a bhirat , or a bhrit. ?

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 01 May 2013 - 01:23 AM.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:58 AM

Researcher Irina Pugach and colleagues now analysed genetic variation from across the genome from aboriginal Australians, New Guineans, island Southeast Asians, and Indians. Their findings suggest substantial gene flow from India to Australia 4,230 years ago. i.e. during the Holocene and well before European contact. “Interestingly,” says Pugach, “this date also coincides with many changes in the archaeological record of Australia, which include a sudden change in plant processing and stone tool technologies, with microliths appearing for the first time, and the first appearance of the dingo in the fossil record. Since we detect inflow of genes from India into Australia at around the same time, it is likely that these changes were related to this migration.”


Well I think that is super interesting.

Edited by The Puzzler, 01 May 2013 - 02:58 AM.

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