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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#4126    Abramelin

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:25 PM

This whole discussion about the etymology of the word "salt-atha" is nothing but a feeble attempt to prove the OLB right.

As any (almost) blind person can see, the origin or the Dutch/Fryan word "salt-atha" was a Latin/Roman word, a word related to a word meaning 'hiring people to fight for you'.

Mercenaries.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

This whole discussion about the etymology of the word "salt-atha" is nothing but a feeble attempt to prove the OLB right.

As any (almost) blind person can see, the origin or the Dutch/Fryan word "salt-atha" was a Latin/Roman word, a word related to a word meaning 'hiring people to fight for you'.

Mercenaries.

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The origin of Dutch soldier might be Latin but salt-atha was a Latin/Roman word? You're kidding right?

Anyway I'm going to bed.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:37 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

I don't know how things go in Australia, but when I meet someone I trust and like, I won't ask him/her to swear on the Bible before they become my friend, buddy, pal, whatever.

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No one swears on the Bible, but a blood oath is a common bond between friends. It's also an unsaid form of loyalty and trust - it's a foundation for friendship.

Maybe because the word is not actually Dutch you don't get it.

Extract salt from the sea yourself? Right...

Goodnight for now, my friend. :innocent:

Edited by The Puzzler, 21 June 2013 - 04:44 PM.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 21 June 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

The origin of the Dutch 'soldier' might be Latin, but salt-atha was a Latin/Roman word. You're kidding right?

Anyway I'm going to bed.

I am not kidding about the origin of the word ""salt-atha" being a Latin/Roman word.

I am convinced it was originally a Latin word.

The OLB suggests a crap etymology, "salt friends", and I won't buy that, ever.

And don't start again about "oath", because that has nothing to do with the word "salt-atha."


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:51 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

The quote about how Athens got its name according to the OLB proves you wrong. The Fryans were strangers in Greece, but they got a very friendly welcome, like they were old friends.

What does that have to do with any "oath"?


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OK, I can't help myself, one more...

Min-erva asked if we might settle there peaceably. This was agreed to on. the condition that we should help them to fight against their neighbours, who came continually to carry away their children and to rob their dwellings. Then we built a citadel at an hour’s distance from the harbour. By the advice of Min-erva it was called Athens, because, she said, those who come after us ought to know that we are not here by cunning or violence, but were received as friends (âtha).

The bolded part is the oath connection. They weren't just friends, they made an oath (had conditions they agreed on) and that is why they were friends, and allies from then on.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:54 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 21 June 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

No one swears on the Bible, but a blood oath is a common bond between friends. It's also an unsaid form of loyalty and trust - it's a foundation for friendship.

Maybe because the word is not actually Dutch you don't get it.

Extract salt from the sea yourself? Right...

Goodnight for now, my friend. :innocent:

The Dutch and Frisians are as close as Abel and Cain once were, lol.

Then Cain smashed that Frisian politically correct head of Abel, and now we are still talking about it

And Puzz, when was the last time you found a friend, and asked him for a 'blood oath??

Come on..


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:54 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

I am not kidding about the origin of the word ""salt-atha" being a Latin/Roman word.

I am convinced it was originally a Latin word.

The OLB suggests a crap etymology, "salt friends", and I won't buy that, ever.

And don't start again about "oath", because that has nothing to do with the word "salt-atha."
So atha is clearly in the Frisian dictionary but you don't think it's that word? You'd rather think that it is a Latin word? OK...

êth 200 und häufiger, âth, ê-th, â-th, afries., st. M. (a): nhd. Eid; ne. oath

I do think it is the word, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one it seems.

Edited by The Puzzler, 21 June 2013 - 04:56 PM.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

The Dutch and Frisians are as close as Abel and Cain once were, lol.

Then Cain smashed that Frisian politically correct head of Abel, and now we are still talking about it

And Puzz, when was the last time you found a friend, and asked him for a 'blood oath??

Come on..
I'm just saying it's an example of how friends take oaths, seriously, the word is a foundation for friendship based on a said or unsaid form of loyalty, an oath. To me it's so obvious, but I guess it shows how different two people can think.

atha is friends by way of an oath (of loyalty etc)
salt-atha is possibly then same, paid by way of salt to be loyal to you. Many soldiers or mercenaries as you said, became loyal at the drop of a hat to anyone if they paid them enough, these imo would be a kind of salt-atha.

So, that's my last say on it and now I am really going to bed, night all.

Edited by The Puzzler, 21 June 2013 - 05:06 PM.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:40 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 21 June 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

So atha is clearly in the Frisian dictionary but you don't think it's that word? You'd rather think that it is a Latin word? OK...

êth 200 und häufiger, âth, ê-th, â-th, afries., st. M. (a): nhd. Eid; ne. oath

I do think it is the word, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one it seems.

"Atha" is in the (Old) Frisian dictionary??

Show me, please.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:45 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 21 June 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

I'm just saying it's an example of how friends take oaths, seriously, the word is a foundation for friendship based on a said or unsaid form of loyalty, an oath. To me it's so obvious, but I guess it shows how different two people can think.

atha is friends by way of an oath (of loyalty etc)
salt-atha is possibly then same, paid by way of salt to be loyal to you. Many soldiers or mercenaries as you said, became loyal at the drop of a hat to anyone if they paid them enough, these imo would be a kind of salt-atha.

So, that's my last say on it and now I am really going to bed, night all.

Well, maybe it's nothing but a difference in culture, but here we accept our friends as they are, without the obligation to spill blood or swear on the Bible to prove they are true friends.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:12 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Well, maybe it's nothing but a difference in culture, but here we accept our friends as they are, without the obligation to spill blood or swear on the Bible to prove they are true friends.
It is how things were in ancient society , the king owned the land and he rented it out to the aristocracy at a monetary price and tythe of produce, and for a promise (oath if you like ) that a certain number of soldiers could be relied on to be supplied by that Baron,Duke , Earl whatever ,That is where the Hundreds came from before Counties ( although county is probably related , to a count of how many warriors you had to produce from your tennants in times of war) and hundreds were the same the land was divided up , and each area had to produce 100 warriors when called upon...........these warrior/tennants could be called your friends sarcastically, but they really were only your friends because they were given the use of the land,and gave an oath to defend it .

this may have been even more relevant to the Fris who came back from India , Indian Kings paid the Ksatriyas to be a standing army their job was not to plough the land , or to be priests , but purely to be expert/ trained in all forms of warfare...........You know all this already Abe , why are you being so adamant on it .


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:19 PM

You're smoking pot, right?

Good.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:45 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

You're smoking pot, right?

Good.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 04:58 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

"Atha" is in the (Old) Frisian dictionary??

Show me, please.

Well, I already showed a similar word from the Old Frisian dictionary:

aththa 40, atta, etta* (2), a-th-th-a, a-t-t-a, e-t-t-a* (2), afries., sw. M. (n): nhd. Geschworener; ne. juryman; Vw.: s. dīk-, *e-, un-e-, ze-r-k-, -man-n; Hw.: s. ê-th-a (1); Q.: R, W, S, Schw; E.: s. ê-th; W.: nfries. aita.

http://koeblergerhar...s/afries_a.html

... but it obviously has nothing to do with the OLB: not a 'friend', not a 'comrade'.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 06:52 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

"Atha" is in the (Old) Frisian dictionary??

Show me, please.
OK, I showed you êth 200 und häufiger, âth, ê-th, â-th, afries., st. M. (a): nhd. Eid; ne. oath

âth, ê-th, â-th

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